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We are all going to HELL ...

May 6th 2008 00:20
… except the Phelps family, the most hated family in America.
The corruption of a young mind is a terrible thing
Clever and hilarious investigative journalist Louis Theroux lived with the extended Phelps family in Kansas, attended their Westboro Baptist Church, and listened to Fred Phelps, aka Gramps, the head pastor, preaching the angry Word of God. Very scary stuff!

Louis Theroux
The inquisitive Louis Theroux
On Australian ABC last night a documentary called The Most Hated Family in America started screening as I was about to go to bed. It caught me off guard and the evil angels on the screen enraptured me … but for all the wrong reasons. I couldn’t believe my eyes and ears. I hadn't heard of this man and his family before. I know truth is stranger than fiction (and the Austrian house of horrors is testament to that!), but this family of extremist, religious hate-mongers was something else. I was glued to the television (the Phelps family would be pleased to know).

Supposedly Fred Phelps had thirteen children, perhaps more; he refused to answer questions in direct relation to his family. All his children have children and they’ve all been indoctrinated into Gramps interpretation of the New Testament. In a cracked nutshell; essentially the world is screwed, but especially America. God is America’s terrorist and America – in particularly the troops stationed in Iraq - is being overwhelmed by homosexuality, or “fags” as the Phelps family like to have emblazoned on their picket banners.

Westboro Baptist Church picketers
They regularly stand on the side of the road or highway with their neatly inscribed banners and slogans held high: “God Hates Fags”, “USA = Fag Nation”, and “Thank God for Dead Soliders”. People driving by shout obscenities at them, give them the finger, and even throw objects at them (one of the younger Phelps grandchildren is pelted by a large slushie). But it gets worse, the Phelps family travel, in some cases interstate, to picket military funeral services. It’s so very wrong.

What’s most alarming, and ultimately disturbing, is the Phelps’ family’s moral intensity; their self-righteousness, arrogance, even smugness. When one of the teenaged daughters starts giggling as she tells reporter Louis Theroux that he’s going to Hell, she appears slightly unhinged. Admitting quite matter-of-factly that she has never dated, will never marry, and that she is on earth to do God’s business; a courtesy to everyone: telling them that God Hates America and everyone is going to Hell … except the Phelps family, of course.

At one point when Theroux is trying to fathom how they teach their children in these religiously askew diatribes the mother explains by turning to her five-year-old son and asks him, “What are you if you support fags?” The son replies emphatically, “You’re a dyke!” Theroux shakes his head in bewilderment. I did too.

Fred Phelps
The Very Scary Fred Phelps
When Theroux tries to get some serious answers from Gramps at the end of one of his sermons Gramps becomes agitated and defensive, the interview is over before it started. I’m amazed they allowed the film crew to hang around so long in the first place, with Theroux being so “impertinent” and all, but then it simply smacks of the Phelps family’s resolute arrogance. They know they are right and everyone else is wrong. They know they are hated by everyone (the kids have no friends, only acquaintances), and they prefer it that way as it proves they are doing God’s work properly.

The Phelps family has two websites; www.godhatesamerica.com and www.signsofthetimes.net. I’ve had a brief look at both and it is disturbing content. On the first site’s homepage is written (no doubt by Gramps): “God Hates America. This is a profound theological statement that any God-fearing person will recognize as truth. America is on a path to sure destruction, and there is no remedy available to Her anymore. She was once a great nation, like Sodom and Gomorrah, blessed with great propserity and power not before seen in the modern world. And, like Sodom and Gomorrah, she has spit in the face of God until His wrath has been brought down upon her with fierce anger.”
Westboro Baptist Church members
Some of the Phelps extended family and Westboro Baptist Church members
On the second homepage is written: “While there have been literally tens of thousands of news stories, editorials, and documentary pieces covering the street preaching ministry of Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church, nearly every one of them is inundated with fag media spin - that is to say, they all attempt, at some level, to vilify, demonize and marginalize the pure Bible perspective of this church. It is no surprise that, when it comes to Bible truth, there is no clear, accurate and objective reporting - all media is fag media - dominated and run by fags and their enablers. 'Hatemongers' is, however, one of the only documentary films that paints the tiny church in its true light, letting the voices of her members speak, without clouding the air with a fag-and-flag-worshipping slanted narration. It is perhaps the only true saga of this tiny New Testament church, her pastor, members and amazing, worldwide ministry.”

The nightmarish truth is just how deluded these people are and the lengths they are going to perpetuate this delusion, and teach it to their children, all in the safety of the Constitution's First Amendent. It’s probably one of the most psychologically cruel practices I’ve ever encountered.

Apparently the Westboro Baptist Church are banned in 40 States and recently got slapped with $2.9 million in compensatory damages and a further $8 million in punitive damages for protesting the funeral of a military figure in the state of Maryland. The jury was asked to pick an amount that says “Don’t do this in Maryland again. Don’t bring your circus of hate to Maryland again.” But that’s only one battle in an ongoing war, although for how long? The Phelps family believes the world is entering into the Last Days. So Armageddon must be just around the corner then.

The Most Hated Family in America is a real modern horror story.

Here's Louis Theroux experiencing a Fred Phleps sermon and trying to get some questions answered:


And for a little extra, here's Australian opportunist Anna Corrin interviewing Fred Phelps and Australia "Land of the Sodom Damned":

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Comment by D. Armenta

May 6th 2008 02:41
Oh fer Chrissakes..what happened to the good old days when inbred rubes like this were ignored and/or thrown into the drunktank when they started raving in public? Why in hell is he getting worldwide attention??!!

Comment by David O'Connell

May 6th 2008 02:43
I saw this last night too Bryn and also found it compelling, horrifying and just plain pathetic in the end. Teaching children to be happy and rejoice about every person who dies in car accidents or war because it's God will and righteous justice on display is beyond human comprehension. They're just poisonous - those poor brainwashed kids growing up in that environment without a hope of a normal childhood. It'd make you want to cry.

I really liked the filmmaker though, Louis Theroux, he's fantastic and it's a credit to him that he didn't run away screaming half the time!

Comment by Cibbuano

May 6th 2008 02:55
BAM! I want to see that documentary...

Comment by Bryn

May 6th 2008 03:40
Armenta ... We continue to live in Scary Times.

David, yes, the expressions Theroux would occasionally give the camera were priceless.

Cibby, you'd love it. Perhaps ABC will bring it out on DVD ... Or re-screen it at a later date.

Comment by the world of gaye

May 6th 2008 03:42
I have seen these nutcases before, but if you think about it there are a lot of extreme and fanatical people causing trouble everywhere around the globe now. I don't understand how their brains work, how do they, or anybody with extremist attitudes and ideas become like this? I can't imagine myself or anyone I know being brainwashed in this way, so how does it happen to large groups of people. I just don't understand their thinking at all.

Comment by RubySoho

May 6th 2008 03:43
I was actually quite disappointed in Theroux's handling of the story. He was way too antagonistic and put them off from the outset. I would love to have seen how someone like Andrew Denton would have handled them.

That said, they were out of control. Shirley gives new meaning to the word "shrew" and Gramps is the most narcissistic nitwit that ever did preach about anything.

The only reason they "preach" the way they do is because they want people to hate them so they can play the 'see we are being persecuted, this means we are true Christians" card.

Well I won't play into their hands. To Shirley, Gramps and all your brainwashed offspring: I Love You, I Love You, I Love You!

Guess that means you're coming to hell along with me?

But did anyone else giggle over their Liz Taylor and Diana "fag lover" placards? I mean really, how much time do these people have AND WHERE DO THEY GET THEIR MONEY?

Comment by Kleonaptra

May 6th 2008 04:11
When they spouted off on Ledger I was inspired to write about them but I ended up deciding against it. Im glad because you and Raven have done better than I could. I agree with D - lock them up.

Oh, and set Safran on them.

Comment by Johnny Come Lately

May 6th 2008 04:44
crazy people everywhere but not much different that KKK teaching hate to their offspring. Would like to see the documantary though, I hope they rescreen it.

Comment by Ombi

May 6th 2008 04:56
If God hates America, I'd hate to know what he thinks of the Phelps family. As a non-beleiver, I'm not frazzled but Pops, you are on a one way ticket to getting your fingers slammed in one of the hinges of the Pearly Gates! I can just see God; he'll probably utter something like, "You are so not welcome boyfriend"! Oops!

Comment by Damo

May 6th 2008 04:59
Did not see the doco but have done a fair bit of reading up on them.

I think that they offer the media a circus and the media lives off that too. They may make documentaries and news stories about them but they do so only to stir up passions.
When it gets down to it they are only 50 or so people seeking attention as do many Cults.
The fact that they choose the most controversial mixture of subjects may be no accident for Rev Phelps. Is just playing the hate card to get attention.

In 80's and 90's it was the Orange People now it is the Wesborough Church.

My assessment of them is here: Really Long Link

Comment by Bryn

May 6th 2008 05:15
Ruby, fair call ... actually Andrew Denton would've been brilliant!! Did you see his God On My Side special he did for Enough Rope?




Comment by Ahmed

May 6th 2008 05:36
I think the CBS did try to do a documentary on them and how they live their daily life.

Contrary to popular belief they have a very close knit family with no abuse or dastardly things happening of any sort.

Which perfectly falls inline with their particular flavour of extremism, it's a pity they never did put that documentary on air.

I think tLouis Theroux delibrately went out to paint them as nothing but crazed lunatics. I don't personally think it's a good idea to give biased reporting of people no matter who they are.

Comment by RubySoho

May 6th 2008 05:48
Hi Bryn, yeah God On My Side actually got a cinema release and I saw it there.

I love the way Denton never talks down to the people he interviews, although I remember reading some reviews that criticised him for being too gentle with them.

But unlike Theroux, Denton knows that you can't "talk sense" into such people, they believe what they say they believe and talking down to them is only going to make them defensive and angry. But Denton is an expert on bringing out the human side of people and showing us why they believe what they do.

Theroux's doco just gave me no insight into what makes Shirley tick, after an hour I was none the wiser as to her motivations...he handles the teenage girls a bit better though...i think given a bit more time, he just may have cracked them. Poor girls...you can only hope that some of them will follow in their sister's footsteps and "fall away".

That scene where the kid gets hit with the slushie was devastating.


Comment by Mountain Fog

May 6th 2008 07:37
...saw it, and I know of them and their sites, they are laughable, scared and bigoted losers!

These mongrel hatemongers, starting from "gramps" down, have consistantly debased the spirit of the Gospels, like a lot of equally twisted Moslems are doing to the Koran today, and then passed this onto their naive, brainwashed and ignorant children.

Surely, no humane and logical person could defend what they do? Bigots and sociopaths would be the only ones to either; argue for support of their 'ideals', or dilute criticism of their loathsome behaviour.

No normal person could POSSIBLY deny that this is a disgusting form of abuse of innocent kids, gays, soldiers, and their families?

The good thing is, they are so over the top, so twisted and vile and ignorant, they are laughable!

fog

Comment by Louie

May 6th 2008 07:42

Comment by JohnDoe

May 6th 2008 08:10
Hi Bryn,

I watched this one last night, I'm a massive Louis Fan and have the first two seasons of his original show in the collection. It was interesting to see that where as he used to be curious and empathetic enough to earn his subjects trust here he was a little more like Ruby said "Antagnistic."

Still Louis came through with an interesting and disturbing examination of an alternate reality.

Comment by Bryn

May 6th 2008 08:28
Great comments everyone! Ahhh, life's rich tapestry!

Comment by Bethany

May 6th 2008 09:29
Fred Phelps makes me want to... to spit nails or something. I'm not someone who is easily roused to anger, but seeing him (especially with the "Thank God for Dead Soldier" BS really makes me want to go completely nuclear.

Sadly, as an American, I hear about them a lot. I have a friend in Iraq (he should be headed home soon, YAY!), and we're both pretty surprised that Phelp's family members haven't been seriously hurt while protesting military funerals- I can honestly say that mixing anger with that kind of grief is just aching for violence. I wouldn't be surprised, in fact, if Phelps weren't hoping for it so he could claim religious oppression.

When I first visited his site, I didn't believe it was real. I couldn't- for three years I insisted he was part of some deep satire.

Ugh. Now I'm mad.

Comment by Bryn

May 6th 2008 12:49
Bethany, it's okay to be mad. I'm a bit crazy too.

Comment by Always Eighteen

May 6th 2008 13:28
Reminds me of John Safran vs God.

I want to watch this. I also kind of want to buy one of those soldier shirts! Haha. Crazy stuff.

Comment by Kleonaptra

May 7th 2008 00:31
I'll take that as a second vote for siccing Safran on them, Always Eighteen! Im sorry I missed Denton, that would have been something to see.

Comment by Bryn

May 7th 2008 01:09
The Denton doco, God on My Side, can be bought on DVD I'm pretty sure through the ABC store

Comment by Kleonaptra

May 7th 2008 01:43
Thanks for that Bryn

Comment by KylieW

May 7th 2008 07:23
I meant to watch that show and missed it. What a bunch of total nutjobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

Comment by Cibbuano

May 12th 2008 01:04
Ruby - I know exactly what you mean... Theroux can be a little inelegant at times; he plays up his polished accent and his foreign naivety, then fires right into a bludgeoning question.

Andrew Denton would have been gold...


Comment by Anonymous

April 22nd 2011 04:14
---WE know about Westboro.

Now, Theroux, if he himself is going to get to the next level, must drop the one note Harry
Potter pose, leave his life long gig at the
state run propaganda arm BBC ---and turn those cameras on the belief system of hsi
own 'hidden masters' ----EUGENICS.

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