Debate Battle! VAMPIRES or WEREWOLVES?
December 3rd 2007 03:20
Which creature is more in control of their dark side: vampires or werewolves?
These infamous creatures of horror have been terrifying and fascinating us for centuries; the fetid undead and the hirsute lycanthrope. Each has their own different folklores from culture to culture, but essentially the mythology remains the same. Those elements of menace are uniform when it comes down to brass bloody tacks.
But which supernatural creature is less afflicted and, perhaps, more dangerous? Is one, ultimately, more evil than the other? Obviously the vampire and the werewolf can be ferocious and lethal, but how do they keep the shadow in check? Are they able to control it at all?
Here are just a few things to consider, although they are not the final word, and are, obviously, open to conjecture.
Vampires
For:
~ They are immortal
~ They choose their victims specifically, often with intent
~ They are famous for their dark charm and seduction technique
Against:
~ They are undead
~ They are nocturnal
~ They rely on drinking blood for survival
Werewolves:
For:
~ They are hot-blooded with animal instincts
~ They are not afraid of sunlight
~ Some species of lycanthrope can transform at will
Against:
~ They carry a curse
~ Most are governed by the phase of the moon
~ They are bestial by nature
So, what do you think? Where does your opinion and/or argument lie?
1) The debate will take place via comments in response to the official debate post on the host blog.
2) Anyone can participate.
3) You can take either side of an argument regardless of your actual views. In fact you are encouraged to take the other side now and again, it's mind expanding.
4) Insults are to be witty and in good humor. Apart from that stick to arguing about the facts.
5) Anonymous comments are discouraged.
Werewolf illustration Copyright © Paul Mudie, 2008 All rights reserved.
These infamous creatures of horror have been terrifying and fascinating us for centuries; the fetid undead and the hirsute lycanthrope. Each has their own different folklores from culture to culture, but essentially the mythology remains the same. Those elements of menace are uniform when it comes down to brass bloody tacks.
But which supernatural creature is less afflicted and, perhaps, more dangerous? Is one, ultimately, more evil than the other? Obviously the vampire and the werewolf can be ferocious and lethal, but how do they keep the shadow in check? Are they able to control it at all?
Here are just a few things to consider, although they are not the final word, and are, obviously, open to conjecture.
Vampires
For:
~ They are immortal
~ They choose their victims specifically, often with intent
~ They are famous for their dark charm and seduction technique
Against:
~ They are undead
~ They are nocturnal
~ They rely on drinking blood for survival
Werewolves:
For:
~ They are hot-blooded with animal instincts
~ They are not afraid of sunlight
~ Some species of lycanthrope can transform at will
Against:
~ They carry a curse
~ Most are governed by the phase of the moon
~ They are bestial by nature
So, what do you think? Where does your opinion and/or argument lie?
1) The debate will take place via comments in response to the official debate post on the host blog.
2) Anyone can participate.
3) You can take either side of an argument regardless of your actual views. In fact you are encouraged to take the other side now and again, it's mind expanding.
4) Insults are to be witty and in good humor. Apart from that stick to arguing about the facts.
5) Anonymous comments are discouraged.
Werewolf illustration Copyright © Paul Mudie, 2008 All rights reserved.
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Comment by Cibbuano
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I've never seen the appeal of werewolves, even as a kid. Changing into a wolf just doesn't seem that terrifying to me... maybe I'm watching the wrong movies?
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As far as being the more scary, I would have to say Vampires as well. I think I would have more of a chance of tricking a non-thinking beast rather than a smart vamp. Also they can fly which is pretty cool, and makes it much harder to get away.
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I will have to go with werewolves. I think I have told you of my penchant for them, Bryn? It's because of Angela Carter's dark and depraved yet sensuous and sardonic stories. A lot from The Bloody Chamber feature werewolves or some twist on associated legends and folktales, and I can't get enough of them.
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Comment by Damo
Whereas the Vampires are the used car salesmen of the undead. They are smug and snobbish, polite only to get what they want.. You can just picture Dracular saying his coffin was only used by a little old lady who drove it to church on Sundays.
Here is the problem. Werewolve are macho and masuline but they never seem to have much in the way of she-werewolves. However just like used car salesmen the vampires have hot babes all over the place.
Comment by Bryn
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I'm with you there ... Vampires do have the sensual element down pat, but actually, there's an untapped animalistic sexuality about werewolves I'm intrigued by (I'm working on ideas for a screenplay ...) The Company of Wolves was a great movie (I haven't read the story though) ...
Damo, sensational comments! Excellent work! Brilliant analogies too!
The debate is hotting up indeed!!!
Comment by Mountain Fog
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They both chomp on your neck, usually uninvited.
They both either kill you, or enslave you to become one of them.
They both transform, so each has a dormant, safe time.
They are both victims and perpetrators.
They enjoy their work, when it's happening.
And I could go on...but then...no one would be bothered reading what I had said.
So, the real turnoffs...it has to be the hairy one, I mean, all you get from a Werewolf is a fanging, fleas and hair on your clothing...but I guess it is fair to say, who would care about clothing with your neck ripped open?
I go for the Vampire; he is human like, sophisticated, usually, has a sense of seduction and can deliver his moment of truth, with some sensual subtlety...unless you pissed him off..or her..sorry.
Of course, I share my bed every night with a small and slightly rotund "Were-pug", but we keep to our own kind!
cheers
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Comment by Lilla
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*lol* still laughing at Damo's comment too much to make one of my own, but it was pretty much along those lines.
Vampires do everything with a premeditated sensuality, wharewolves seem victims of circumstance, but I love their wildness and honesty. However, I am a fickle woman where ghouls and demons are concerened, and wiill probably change my mind tomorrow, anyway.
Hard decision.
Lilla ...
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That said I tend to side with the often Armani-clad debanaire types who oft have a penchant for either the gorgeous gals or the pin-up lads.
To say I'm a bit of a sucker for that kind of thing would be too horrible a pun though.
MNG
Comment by Damo
Vampires might look neat and party like it is Translavania 1999 but would you let your daughter go out with one?
No me, no way. nu uh!
Atleast with a
bikiewerewolf what you see is what you get. They may be rough on the outside but I bet they treat their mothers well. If only they would wash their clothes more often.Vampires are that sickly super nice guy who is just to friendly to trust. I hate
used-car salesmenreal-estate agentsvampires who suck the life out of you before running off with your daughter. When she finnally gets to his castle she find it is a dump and he has a surprize for her. Meet my other wifes. If I wanted that for my daughter I would move to the southern states of the USA.Comment by Ahmed
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Comment by Lilla
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Not to put too light a spin on your circumstance, but it sounds like you've already had your first vampire bite . . .that's okay my friend, traditionally it takes three bites before you join the walking dead and become a vampire yourself...
You might try a warewolf next, their bite is more honest and heals quicker.
Lilla ...
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The question, if I'm not mistaken, was which is more in control of his/her darkside? That really depends on the movie/story in question. I am a sucker (no pun intended) for vampire flicks.
Honestly, I don't think either has much control over his/her darkside, unless you want to talk about a movie like Teen Wolf. In the scary ones, neither vampires nor werewolves have much control.
I guess, if I had to choose, I'd say werewolves, because they are only dark when there is a full moon. Vampires, on the other hand, are always that way.
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While werewolves are okay for most of the month. Come full moon time, Werewolves have no control over their actions.
So to me, I think vamps are more in control.
The exception to that of course would be newly made vamps. Apparently they don't have much control over themselves. But I guess new werewolves probably don't either.
And I really like that we're debating this as though both are totally real and that we're all practically experts!!
Comment by Bryn
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I'm with you there ... vampires are in control of themselves, generally speaking, for most of the time, except perhaps when they become desperate for blood ... whilst werewolves once they've transformed as ravaging beasts of prey, unable to rationalise between what is good or evil. Vampires know they're evil and generally relish it, like its a gift. Although there are the vampires who behave like their immortality is a curse, and they are afllicted, therefore have no control over the darkness that rules their lives.
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Well, as the Debate Fan, I guess I will defend the less popular side and say that werewolves are more in control of their dark side than vampires are.
I cite the following, from literature and movies:
1) In "An American werewolf in London", David (main character/werewolf) was remorseful when he learned of the people he'd killed. Also, at the end scene when Alex (his love interest) is calling to him and crying in a dead-end alley, he doesn't attack her while she speaks to him. At the end he makes a suicidal leap at the large gathering of police, knowing they will kill him. He had also called home prior to this and said his goodbyes to his family, a sure sign of him making the decision to commit suicide ahead of time. That all shows some degree of control over one's dark side.
2) In Stephen King's excellent vampire novel, "Salem's Lot", the vampires seem to have no qualms about luring their own spouses, children, and other loved ones to the same fate they themselves suffer. There is no evidence of any vampires "fighting the urge" to save even their own children from becoming one of the undead. That shows a decided lack of control.
Counterpoint anyone?
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Point One:
One movie an argument doth not make!
So, to argue for the werewolf, by citing the behaviour of one werewolf in "An American Werewolf In London", seems a little trite, a little shallow, a little lacking in historical depth and precedent.
One could also cite the majority of werewovles in the same film, as proving they lack any remorse, compassion or will to discontinue their antics, and that the actions of a lone (hero)werewolf were, at best, an anomaly and probably the result of a contaminated spirit and so not representative of werewolves per se.
To argue against the majority, one would have to cite many more instances in many other films, going back to the original werewolf film itself, that being; "The Werewolf":
The Werewolf is a 1913 silent short that was the first werewolf film made, directed by Henry MacRae. Although the film was destroyed, in a fire in 1924, the script survived, by Ruth Ann Baldwin, and it was based on the short story The Werewolves by Henry Beaugrand.
Plot Summary of The Werewolf:
A Navajo woman becomes a witch after erroneously coming to believe that her husband has abandoned her. She teaches the same skills to her daughter Watuma, who transforms into a wolf in order to carry out vengeance against the invading white settlers. Then, 100 years after Watuma's death, she returns from the dead to kill again.
Hardly the stuff of a conscience laden werewolf hell bent on self sacrifice!
Point Two:
DArmenta's defence, as it stands, portrays the werewolf as the only victim, but, were they not all victims at one point, both werewolf and vampire?
Point Three:
To attempt to whitewash all werewolves, by citing the American Werewolf and his suicide, is both incorrect and disingenuous. Although pitiable, even heroic, the decision was one of self inflicted death, it was not suicide, it was actually an act of "self murder", for he deems it best to kill the 'beast' to save another, and that beast is himself. By the way, "self murder" has been acknowledged in a NSW coronial inquiry.
Point Four:
Although I bow to those of a greater in-depth knowledge of werewolves, I suggest that they not only lack reason for their violent onslaughts, they also lack the ability to lessen the suffering of their vicitms and to distinguish between the small and defenseless, even their own family, unlike vampires.
In Conclusion:
The vast majority, if not all werewolves, before the American youngster werewolf, have killed their families, and other defenseless innocent victims of all age groups. The fact that they may beg to be tied up and locked away before they transform, that they may warn their families to lock themselves away from harm, that they may feel attrition once they are human again, is of no consequence.
For it is their actions as a werewolf that count. And as already stated, as evidenced in every werewolf film before An American Werewolf in London, their actions are brutal, violent and undiscerning, or caring, for whomever they attack, or the suffering they inflict.
I rest my case Your Honour, Lord Bryn!
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sure having sex is great but think this
you are not all ways a vampire and some werewolves chicks have to be hot, so bang them
also werewolves has less ways to die than vampires
you have to special create the weapon to kill a werewolf but to kill a vampire all have to go is to wal-mart to get the weapons, best and cheapest is falshlight, another thing vampires cant go into a building without first being invited, also there has to be ugly vampire chicks
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I do believe that vampires are more in controll of their dark sides because I personally have wittnessed much more stories of wolf like creatures that can walk like humans, more so than hearing of a strange neck wound that consists of two wounds, and the victim being completly drained of blood. I do believe though in my opinion, werewolfs are filthy, disburing, mean, and smell like dog. yuck!
Vampires are suductive, beautiful, dark, sinister, and can be loving and caring.
Werewolves can be loving and caring although they are very vilolent.
I am not compleltly taking one side, but Vampires appeal to me more so than dogs.
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p.s. i love reading i really liked the lord of the rings
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Werewolves might not be able to control themselves when they transform, but at least they have remorse later on. But vampires are in control the whole time and know exactly what they do and don't care. They are purely evil.
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The more gruesome weres are-the better
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Comment by Bryn
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I do love vampirism (Bram Stoker's Dracula is one of my favourite novels), but I'm very partial to lycanthropy ... something very carnal and primal about them, and they look far more menacing, although I was impressed with the look of the vamps in 30 Days of Night.
So what are your favourite werewolf movies then?
Cheers for the blog props too!
Comment by wolfgirl
I've never seen any really scary vampire movies either. My friend said she was reading the book, I am Legend, which the movie was based off, and in the book the infected people were actually more like vampires than rabid zombies.
Was 30 Days of Nights creepy? I saw some girls complaining that the vampires in the movie weren't sexy, hahaha
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yeah The Howling rocks. So does An American Werewolf in London and Dog Soldiers.
I loved the novel I Am Legend, I'm reticent in seeing the movie ... I wish Ridley Scott had managed to make it back in the 90s, but the project was scuttled ...
30 Days of Night was very good, some sensational special effects and pretty hideous vamps ... my papa was in it too, he's the first victim, the old guy who gets his head ripped off !
Comment by Wolfie
Other side Werewolves human-like except fullmoon. When transformed all physical traits drastic increese and all mental traits decreese. Learning to control their curse over time, making them able to change to wolf form at will, and regaing control of their actions when transformed.
I'm i big werewolf fan, and say screw vamps
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Although Warewolves are able to take control of their powers after a while they still die, as a result they must regularly introduce new members to heard. Whereas Vampires, being immortal do not need to add to their group once they deem them selves strong enough. So while the foolish MORTAL!! werewolves are biting everyone human in sight just to keep their group going, Vampires can carefully choose new initiates without having to make any hasty decisions.
Counter argue that, FUR BALLS!!
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Are you a lycathrope?
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I am specialy against werewolfs because they are more often than not very brutal and aggressive.
Vampires are the perfect creatures of the night!
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However, this doesn't mean that werewolves are more to blame for their actions. A vampire does not lose all self-control in its permanent dark side state like a werewolf does. If a vampire chooses to act in an evil manner, surely this is less excusable than a werewolf losing all self-control whether they like it or not? How can a werewolf embrace its violent transformation, when (I assume!) they are barely conscious of what they are doing in that state? Vampires can come to terms with their existence, are consciously aware of what theyre doing and CHOOSE their actions.
I think the question of sexuality is an interesting one. A vampire is manipulative, charming, making you submit to their will through their powers of seduction. I have not come across references to werewolf sexuality in any books or films... A werewolf, in wolf form, is obviously uncontrollable, a whirlwind of unbridled fury. But when in human form, I think a werewolf would still contain that bestial, raw power, which has the potential to be far more exciting... vampires play games, werewolves are blunt and brutal, but honest. They make no excuses for what they are.
I think the fact that werewolves have less control over their dark side has a much greater sexual appeal... who knows what could happen...
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And I quake from head to feet.
For this night I know, in the town below,
A werewolf prowls the street.
He stalks with stealth and cunning
In his search for a soul to eat.
With matted hair, and jaws that tear,
A werewolf prowls the street.
His face is filled with fury
As his brain cries out for meat.
And, oh, his prey shall not see day
For the werewolf prowls the street.
So I shake beneath my covers
And I shiver in my sheets,
And I cower in my bed, with a pillow on my head,
As the werewolf prowls the street.
Comment by Anonymous
He feels the pain of splitting skin
The rage that bursts out from within
The rage that courses through his veins
Through which he channels all his pain
The hunter, released from ancient bonds
Tastes the blood for which he longs
Freinds, family, they all mean naught
This life is new, with danger fraught
Gaia, the Earth Mother, blesses them all
In return they answer her call
A call to arms, defeat the Wyrm
To succeed there is much to learn
Control the anger, harness the rage
The ancient force, the curse of ages
So now he welcomes the rage within
This rage, once bidden, beneath his skin.
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Dark is the night,
the full moon haunts the sky
and haunts my spirit
and my body.
And moonlight shrouds my soul
in pain and rage.
Dark is the night,
in shadows I will hide
and yearn for healing
and for silence.
And when there is no rest
I think of death.
Dark is the night,
and cursed by a bite′s
my life, forever
I′ll be damned.
And love I′ll always shun –
it′s for the best.
Dark is the night,
alone I′m on the run.
In silent moonlight
there′s a shadow,
and blood drips from his claws
like ruby rain.
Now dawns the day,
my memory awakes
and I am moaning
for my victim-
the body, pale and crimson
′neath my feet.
Falls now the night,
the new moon dark and black.
And I am fleeing
from this place,
from this village and the people
I called home.
Comment by Mystic
Werewolves...they kill just the same, they love the chase and mess with your mind until you can't take it anymore. You may think that they're just stupid dogs but some are smarter than humans.
I admit that vampires have more intellect than werewolves but I don't see how intelligence has to do with being in control of your dark side. It all depends on the type of vampire...or even werewolf.
That's my belief.
Mystic
Comment by Anonymous
First the werewolves in the Twilight series by Stephanie meyer are quite in tuned to their human side even when in the wolf form. They also do not attack humans but are created specifically to fight against vampires.
And second what about the legend of Bisclavret? In this legend the werewolf remains a faithfull companion to the king and never attacks any one until his former wife, and betrayer, comes to court. This suggests they can control their darker side and also suggests they stay connected to their former life.
So, here's two examples do with them what you will.
Comment by Anonymous
Some of them even knowns necromancy, a trait giving them infinitly more power, being able to raise vast armies of skeletions, ghouls, zombies and other dead stuff. The werewolf is often described as the equal of a vampire, with a different life, but equal in power. But they never gets powers to rival necromancy, save a small gift of gaining the trust of animals, particulary wolwes. This points out that vampires got more control of their share of power.
The vampire can also do much more than the mad werewolfs, and while appearing sligthly easier to kill, they are not.
Okay, a child might kill a vampire with the right weapons and a little luck, but only certain things can hurt the monster. a werewolf can be killed by anything containing considerable power. Add the other stuff and you got the true lord of the night.
Vampires 4eva! (or better yet, not...)
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But in my opnion neither of these creaters are immortal because if look at certain movies, which many of you have, you will find that both species have counters. The movie Underworld is a prime example: UV (ultra violet) bullets and silver nitrate bullets were very effective against them.
Comparing werewolfs to vampires is like apples to oranges. Although if they did fight each other a werewolf would win in hand to hand combat and a vampire at longer range.
Thus no one is better each with their own strenghts and weaknesses. All that matters is opinion. And when you finally figure out which is better. You have to ask your self one more question.
Is it better than Chuck Norris?
didn't think so!
Comment by eVE
If you were to make a being out of these 2 it would have been the perfect "in control of it's dark side" creature!!
I believe that they both have the same amount of darkness in them, that depending from witch side are you looking.
I do favor vampires for the sensuality, the perfect definition of the 2 sexes, the sharp fangs, the cold and lifeless body, the mystique...that being of course for their identity with humans...
But werewolves are none the less below what I said. Every human has an animalic part in them that gets out now and then in rages of fury. So werewolves represent that part, when you transcend into another being/an animal.
p.s.: Bryn I blame you for having that idiotically book as a favorite...
I'm from Romania and besides that the book is very bad written, it casts a bad shadow on my country. And as a surplus in it's stupidity, people actually believe that we live like that, and believe that Romania has only rocky mountains and blood drinking peasants...and so on!
To say the truth Bram Stoker didn't even actually come to Romania, he wrote the book in Ireland!
Comment by impartial Anonymous
you hit the nail right on it's head
another though, why if vampires and werewolfs are so much (for the lack of a better word) "better" than humans in the aspects of strenght, agility and cunning. why did we devolp weapons to kill these creatures. This proves once again that humanity is the most advanced killing machine created, intended or not. We are constatly finding better ways to kill things. So are vampires and werewolfs really that "evil". Or do we just need to look onto ourselfs to find the true monsters, that maybe werewolfs and vampires were modeled after.
Don't get me wrong, there were great people in this world like Mother Teresa and Jesus and Gandi who thought of every way to rid the world
of killing. But just think for a moment about what I said.
Sorry about getting so off the topic of the post.
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However, I think that vampires probably do have more control over their dark side, especially if we're looking at more contemporary fiction ideals. They seem to keep a free will, though most of them are supposed to be the embodiment of evil & don't really care anyway.
But if you read into the actual origin legends of werewolves, they're a lot different than in modern fiction. Some of them were put under curses by witches or sorcerers, some were witches or sorcerers doing Satan's deeds, & others were warriors for God, fighting the agents of Hell to keep Earth safe. Except for those who were cursed, most of them were supposed to be fully aware of what they were doing & could definitely control their animal form. However, the cursed ones are said to have little control & were supposed to kill those they loved most first. So the question of how much power over their dark side did they have could go either way.
In most myths, werewolves were incredibly intelligent & sometimes immortal, giving them some abilities similar to those of vampires. I don't know all that much about vampire folklore, simply because I've never been very interested. However, I do know that most tales portrayed them as very ugly & corpse-like, more like zombies than the suave guys we see in movies today. So yeah, not quite so sexy. Give me wolfish, carnal desires any day.
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I'm from Romania and besides that the book is very bad written, it casts a bad shadow on my country. And as a surplus in it's stupidity, people actually believe that we live like that, and believe that Romania has only rocky mountains and blood drinking peasants...and so on!
To say the truth Bram Stoker didn't even actually come to Romania, he wrote the book in Ireland!
Each to their own as far as liking or disliking fiction. Personally I really enjoyed the letter/diary style of prose in which Bram Stoker wrote Dracula, and I think some of the imagery he invoked was brilliantly effective. Who cares if he wrote it in Ireland or Timbuktu ... I wrote a screenplay and set in Spain, yet I'm a New Zealander living in Australia. And one would be silly to think of Romania in a bad light simply because one novelist decided to set a horror movie in a certain country. What about director Eli Roth and setting Hostel in Slovakia ... again, you'd have to be naive to think Slovakia is Torture Central.
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I think werewolves are the bomb, b/c even though there is this "killer instinct" inside of them, depending on what culture protrays them, they are animals, and animals love their partners or their pack with an intensity that no vampire nor human can ever come close to.
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Your text goes hereYour text goes hereYour text goes hereYour text goes here[COLOR=Fuchsia][SIZE=7]i think that i would have to go with the vampires to because they are in more controll of thare dark side when werwolfs they dont chose what they eat they just eat anthing that they come in contact with so vampires pin point thare food and they also don't eat just to eat they only eat because they need to be able to live.they also can controll what they do unlike werwolfs who don't know what they are doing or what they are eating.Comment by Jackay
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gah at vampires
actually
i dont mind vampires
but werewolves are better
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Excellent post on vampirism mirroring sexuality btw ...
I made my own vampire movie fifteen years ago in my home town of Wellington, NZ, called Penumbra. Labour of love, following the plight of a young woman as she slowly changes into a vampire, from the living to the undead. It's deeply flawed but has some great imagery and tone in places.
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i find the way myths evolve based on real life medical or mental conditions to be really interesting, like how stories about the local reclusive alcoholic or drug user who may have skin photosensitivity or eye photophobia has so many tall tales about them they are turned into a monster . . . they may have suffered from what we now diagnose as bi-polar, psychosis, depression, agoraphobia, or multiple personality disorder
ive probably watched much more films than what ive read
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for 1 we can stay in sunlight in out uhman form
while some [im not tlaking about blade] cant take it for only a few seconds [ive been reaserching]
and its hard to find 100% real silver tahn getting a pieace of wood and putting it into a vampires heart
you really gotta think about this stuff
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Now on to the werewolves being "bestial" and not in control of their actions. All portrayals of this has been based on the assumption that wolves are beasts that have no control over themselves... which couldn't be farther from the truth. Wolves travel, and hunt in a pack, which requires some sort of control and organization. A literal translation of the word werewolf simply means "man wolf" were being the anglo word for man. that being said, werewolves are much like men, and much like wolves. both can be incredibly brutal, and both can be incredibly loving. both are generally social animals, wolves travel in packs, so do people. A wolf pack chooses which animal it will take down very carefully, much as a human hunter would choose his/her own victim, so, really... who's to say that a werewolf has no control over their attacks? I think a werewolf, if truly were a "man-wolf" would be in complete control of his/her actions.
I think this is the exact opposite with vampires. According to the mythology, many people accused of vampirism were said to feed on their friends and families at night, meaning, they attacked those who were just the most accessible at the moment, and taking no time to carefully select anything.
when it comes down to it, if you wanted to put it into a real-world context, werewolves would be much more in control than vampires. Because after all, wolves are very intelligent, and man is very intelligent, so it would only be logical to assume that a man-wolf would be intelligent. vampires however must die to become a vampire. meaning all brain functions would cease leaving only the primal need to feed, much like a zombie.
Anyway, this is my argument on the matter.
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I was in the middle of watching 30 Days of Night as I posted my previous comment.... Actually that was the reason I found this blog in the first place. But one thing I found interesting about that movie was how little the vampires were like vampires, and how much they actually were like werewolves. Even in their movements a lot of times. Which is exactly why I like that movie. They worked as a pack, they stalked, like wolves, they communicated with various howls and shrieks... even made use of claws to kill, instead of just neck bighting. Of course there were several other factors that make them seem more like werewolves than vampires... really the only thing I can think of that was vampiristic about them at all, was the fact that they fed on blood, and were allergic to the sun. Pretty much everything else about them was quite lycanthropic. But thats just my assessment of the film.
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As much as I love vampirism, I'm probably more of a fan of lycanthropy. Not sure why exactly ... I do love wolves, more than bats, so that's probably a strong factor. Curiously I don't think there are many truly excellent movies of each sub-genre ... What are your favourites?
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I haven't seen An American Werewolf in Paris, but I heard it was dreadful and it didn't look very good from the small bits I did see ... I didn't like I Am Legend at all, but then I loved the novel.
I've reviewed most of my favourite werewolf and vampire movies ... There's a title/word search option up on the left hand side of the blog if you're keen to dip in a little deeper ...
I'm keen to read up more on lycnathropy definitely! I'll keep an eye out for that book. Any others you'd recommend?
And cheers for the comment on my papa, I'll definitely tell him. He's originally a stage actor and used to be head tutor of the New Zealand Drama School.
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Werewolves, on the other hand, contain the original human mind, and a chaotic animal mind that do battle. The human is more in control in a werewolf, because there is a human mind to be in control.
Why is it that in nearly any fantasy or horror where there are both vampires and werewolves, the vampires are more powerful?
I tend to think vampires are overdone. Werewolves have suffered from bad movie adaptations with "wolfmen" who are humans in makeup. Werewolves that actually turn into wolves are cooler.
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the autumn full moon shines to confirm control.
the beast claws out from deep within,
my want succeeds my will and once again.
this ain't no myth,no fairy tale.
my scream becomes the howl i know to well.
now change my life from all i'v known,
and find the beast that hinds in my sole,
so then i'll find new truths strong and in my youth,
and take me where the werewolves roam.
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(other) Anon, no I don't, but would love to play one. Perhaps I should create one ..... Hmmmm.
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Plus, I've met my fair share of bloodthirsty, ugly male werewolf characters on forums, but I've also met cold, beautiful female alpha werewolves, and sexy wolf babes involved in tempestuous, often forbidden relationships with humans, and rogue werewolves roaming NYC looking for trouble, etc. It's all so earthy and involved, you know? Being an all-knowing, seductive, killer vamp is all very nice, but it's so boring. x.x
Then again, that's just my opinion. I've never actively, seriously researched creatures of the night. So yah.
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I am a fellow werewolf believer. I think that there are werewolves and vampires are still around. Is this true?
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can be killed with the substance mercury as well as
silver.
Also there are two types of werewolfs one which to me is common is spiritual a wolf spirt lives along with a human spirt this causes a mental shift where the person takes on the aspect of the wolf this one is control able. The second is the one protrayed in many movies and books.
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But a human with a dragon spirt.
Im am ten .
I hope that should point out any questions.
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I side with Were wolfs because in human form they can use that time to use to the werewolfs advantige
for example a can pelt him self in garlic with is one of the vampires weaknesses.Also werewolfs can chase a vampire if the werewolf get in range.The vampires cances are slim to none. While if a vampire plays his cards right the werewolf will end up in some form of vampire torture.
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In the ocean sea on the island Buyan,
in the open plain,
shines the moon upon an aspen stump,
into the green wood,into the spreading
vale.
Around the stump goas a shaggy wolf;
under his teeth are all the horned cattle;
but into the wood the wolf does not;
in the vale the wolf not roam.
Moon,moon! Gold horned moon!
Melt the bullet,blult the knife,rot the
cudgel,
strike fear into man,beast, and reptile,
so that they may not sieze the gray wolf,
nor tear from his warm hide.
My word is firm, fimer than sleep
or the strength of heroes.
This was not writen by me.
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werewolves are only changed by the moon the first time or two...
we blend in easily with the society of humans...
the homeless are not noticed when missing....
the cold ones cannot escape the fire ...whether by light or by claw and fang....
which wins in a fight to the death : A calculating superhuman that wastes time planning or an angry human that has given himself to the wild so he doesnt have to think only do..with lethal efficiancy
VAMPIRES...ARE....NEARLY... EXTINCT...
We lycan thropes are thriving!!!!!!!
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Also about werewolfs weeknesses
they have regeneterave abilities witch means that
gun fire will not nessasarily stop it once "killed"
it must be burned.
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1. In terms of control, who would you choose?
A pale white undead guy that knows what he's doing and loves it? Or a creature of the night that is unaware of what he does, and is often innocent?
2. In terms of ingenuity, vamps rely too much on weaponry while wolves are adaptable. Wolves use their own specialities, and anything in front of them to attack.
3. In terms of weakness, Wolves win cause in a Vamp-Wolf war, the wolves can wait for day and then stab the sleeping vamps or pull them out into the sun. Also, the materials needed for killing vamires are easily found while pure silver is actually really rare these days, unless youre in a museum. Wolfsbane is hard to get as well.
4. In terrms of raw power, we all know anyway that werewolves are pretty much living raw power themselves, while vamps are just youre stronger than average human.
5. As for sexuality, well... some she-werewolves are sure to be hot at day right, plus the fact they wont attack you since its day. while she-vamps are hot, (NOT ALL!) they might as well drain you on the spot if they see you strutting around at night.
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the time will come... when humanity belongs to the wild...
the time will come... when savage fury is the only emotion...
the time will come... when power is the only path to live...
the time will come... when thy true self awakens... when the beast within is released...
the time will come... when the werewolves will rule this world...
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WEREWOLVES KICK VAMPIRES ASS!!!
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the movie van helsing come-on now
when he turnd into a werewolf he ripped the junk out of dracula
werewolves will always be top dog no matter what
i would probably like having a vamp chick cause they sexier...but i would rather be a werewolf cause its not a trick its straight out fear from the moment you see the size fur teeth and claws its straight up fear and horror
WEREWOLVES FOR THE WIN
GOGOOGO
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an iron knife slash it three times in the head the curse
is lifted so one more salution instead of being eaten.
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WOLVES RULE!!!!
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Bad goes first a vampire has a weakness a vampire
will count spilled seeds no matter what situation until
it finishes count or the sun comes up
Good : Some vampires can control fire,ice,water
,lightning,or earth acording to some of the older legends
and some can control normal wolfs and rats.
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Sure, werewolves are cool in their own unique way. They can change into an animal—awesome. But honestly, they’re stuck with this curse that forces them to change every full moon, leaving them no choice but to evolve into this...monster... that kills because their animal instinct takes over everything else. Kudos goes to the few that actually want it. Though, Wolfsbane, made a good point that even though werewolves can’t always control their actions, they have an immeasurable amount of love and loyalty for their mate and pack-- more than any vampire or human could ever come close to.
I’m not saying that all vampires have more control—in some cases they don’t. The thing that has always made me want to be a vampire is the way they roam the night with such confidence and mystery...it just makes them more ominous, and as if you want to get to know them more... almost as if you [i[want[/i] to follow them down the dark alley way. They also have immortality-- the chance to live forever and see everything that the world evolves into. Supernatural strength, good looks, and pale, gorgeous skin is just a plus. The downside is that they can never truly love someone as much as a human could. Their relationships are based purely off of lust, not love.
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great comments!
The vamps in 30 Days of Night aren't of the good-looking variety in their natural guise, though.
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Thanks! It took me a while to come up with some decent points, though.
That's true. I really liked 30 Days of Night actually. The vampires in that particular film are more... the wild, vicious...man-eating...I-Don' t-Give-A-Crap-Who-I-Kill-Or-W ho-Witnesses...type.
It's interesting to see the different ways people portray vampires.
Personally, I prefer the vampires that try to conceal their true nature so they can blend in with society.
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Yeah, 30 Days is one of the best vampire flicks in years. My father acted in it. He's the old codger who gets killed at the beginning and his head put on a stick! Go dad!!!
Other vampire movies I really like are Innocent Blood (aka A French Vampire in America), Near Dark, The Addiction, Martin, Vampire's Kiss, Nosferatu (both the 1922 and the 1979 versions) and From Dusk Till Dawn.
... but I'm particularly fond of lycanthropes.
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Wow, thats awesome that your dad was in the movie! That would be such an amazing experience, and I'll have to check out some of those movies you mentioned. I haven't seen some of them. Haha, I'm actually looking up some avatars now.
Silverfang,
That's a really good point. It would be hard to live without your loved ones, or to see them moving on in life-- going to bigger and better things while you're stuck, pretty much frozen in the life you've been given...
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vampires may have amazing confidence and not skulk around like the werewolf, but that sympathy and self-loathing, I think, is actually kinda attractive. some people want to help others who they think are in need, to help them get over their fears, or self-judgment.
now, srry, to get back on subject. A werewolf is only a monster once a month, while a vampire has to fight the bloodlust, 'day' and night. I bet they dream about it when they sleep during the hours the sun is up. Werewolves have better senses than any animal on the earth. Vampires may have the amazing senses as well, but 'wolves can actually use their's for good when they are human. I believe since being a werewolf is a curse, shouldn't the curse kinda affect u as a human? Werewolves could be like an anti-hero like Batman, tormented but stilll trying to do good to try and counter their dark side.
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i think neither are in control, though werewolves perhaps a bit more. as human, they are. They just hahve to take precautions at night or when the full moon is out.
any counters on that?
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As the Hunter says in "Hunting Season" :
It is not the Wolf, but the man taht makes the wolf evil...
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it is true that humans bring the worst out in animal species. thats why u see hippos attack people, or lions, or wolves... we are feared.
see, werewolves aren't 'dead', not like the vampires. so don't you think that that would help them control their dark side, b/c they are still techincally human, so they have human emotions like compassion or fear?
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As for dark sides, everything has a darkside. A vamp is undead, but technically, it's alive because it moves, breathes, and feeds. A wolf is truly alive, it's just cursed. Humans not only bring out the darkside of animals, but of anything. Humans will bring this out, willingly, unwillingly, on purpose, or accidentally. Sometimes, these darksides naturally emerge, or just lie dormant. However, in my belief, it is us that gives something a darkside, simply because we are afraid of it. A vamp, or a werewolf, are considered dark, simply because of the fact that many treat them as freaks of nature, that they are not human. The exceptions usually survive in encounter with said vamp or wolf, because they accepted the person as an equal, with living rights, and not as a thing to be feared and shunned.
Sorry, off the topic... =P
Controlling the darkside is all about DISCIPLINE... It doesn't matter whether it's a vamp, wolf, or something else entirely. As long as it doesn't give in to it's darkside, one doesn't need to fear it.
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And as for thoes other points. A werewolf can also be caring, especially to people they are familiar to...
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A werewolf has enhance animal instincts, given this, I would say they would be in more control. Just because we feeble humans cannot comprehend why a dog will eat the couch, does not mean it is not in control of it's actions. The same I would think is true of a werewolf.
A vampire has to have all the blood removed from the body, or bitten 3 times and said to die, but for how long? The blood is replaced in the body right? So who is to say that the body is not just in a state of suspended animation? Once again the control, they are now a human with new strengths and weakness. The weakness I would think are easy to remember and avoid, if possible. But the strengths would be new, I would not think they come with instincts to control them. But once they learn I believe control comes. And if they make sure they are fully satisfied hunger wise they would be in control.
In short I think that both can gain complete control over themselves, but while new the vampire has less because I would not think instincts are implanted to help learn how to control some of their changes.
Now mind you I prefer the vampire, I would so love to be able to see where the world is going. I think it would be fascinating to see what it will be like in a hundred years and more. Plus, I love the night and it has nothing to do with the supernatural. The stars, the sounds, smells.....everything!
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I think I'm drawn to the fact that werewolves can change shape, even if it is against their will, but wolves are one of my favourite animals, have been since I was very little. And they live an abnormally long life, so they too could see the world grow and change. but they aren't cursed with immortality as far as I know, so when their loved ones pass on, they know they will see them again. When they are done with living, they know that death is an option. Their regenerative(sp?) power is pretty incredible. and to go out in sunlight! Is it true that their blood is quite warm, b/c if so, imagine what you could do in winter?
ahh, the endless possibilities, even with the full moon as a down side.
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I have heard different things whether they are immortal, just long lived, regular, and shorter life spans. It seems like people can not figure out what to think. I would believe that they are shorter because they are so...violent, I guess is the word.
Later when both have control over their new powers, I would think the vampire would have more control. A vampire is not fighting another set of instincts.
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good point PurRot.
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Now here is why I feel the dogs are the better of the two villains:
Some ARE immortal (Underworld, The Howling, Werewolf the TV series 1989 Fox)
They start out with no control, typically, and can change at will as the beast takes over.
Eventually the beast controls the man, which is the nature of the curse
Wolf women? How about The Howling??? And yes I do mean the nymphomaniac! SHE was hot! As was Ginger (Ginger Snaps) and her sister (Ginger Snaps 2).
You only see what you allow yourself to see.
And yes, The Company of Wolves is a GREAT film...love the part where Angela Lansbury loses her head...
Recommended cinema:
Werewolf the TV series, 1989, Fox (sold to USA in the 90's I think, only one season ran, but MAN was it good)
An American Werewolf in London, 1981
The Howling, 1981
Howling 2 (your sister is a werewolf), 1983
DOG SOLDIERS, 2002
Ginger Snaps, 2001
Ginger Snaps Unleashed, 2004
Ginger Snaps Back, 2007
The Monster Squad, 1985
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Now here is why I feel the dogs are the better of the two villains:
Some ARE immortal (Underworld, The Howling, Werewolf the TV series 1989 Fox)
They start out with no control, typically, and can change at will as the beast takes over.
Eventually the beast controls the man, which is the nature of the curse
Wolf women? How about The Howling??? And yes I do mean the nymphomaniac! SHE was hot! As was Ginger (Ginger Snaps) and her sister (Ginger Snaps 2).
You only see what you allow yourself to see.
And yes, The Company of Wolves is a GREAT film...love the part where Angela Lansbury loses her head...
Recommended cinema:
Werewolf the TV series, 1989, Fox (sold to USA in the 90's I think, only one season ran, but MAN was it good)
An American Werewolf in London, 1981
The Howling, 1981
Howling 2 (your sister is a werewolf), 1983
DOG SOLDIERS, 2002
Ginger Snaps, 2001
Ginger Snaps Unleashed, 2004
Ginger Snaps Back, 2007
The Monster Squad, 1985
Recommended literature (vampire & werewolf here)
The Wolf's Hour - Robert R. McCammon
Necroscope - Brian Lumley
Vamphri! Necroscope II - Brian Lumley
The Source: Necroscope III - Brian Lumley
Deadspeak: Necroscope IV - Brian Lumley
Deadspawn: Necroscope V - Brian Lumley
Blood Brothers: Necroscope VIII - Brian Lumley
The Last Aerie: Necroscope IX - Brian Lumley
I cannot for the life of me remember what Necroscope X is called...but READ IT!
Dracula - Bram Stoker (Unabridged if you can find it)
The Werewolf's Tale - Richard Jaccoma
The Werewolf's Revenge - Richard Jaccoma
Anyway, I can't remember any more right away, but I'm sure sooner or later I will because I love these types of literature!
And I skipped Necroscope VI and VII because frankly in those Lumley pretty much confirms his main character's suspicions that werewolves and vampires are the same species of creature, just the manner of their infection differs. Besides that, it's just a space filler between Vamphri and The Source (Called The Lost Years, there are 2 books but they should have been one as they are a continual literation unlike the rest)
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A link to the legendary TV series WEREWOLF, from 1987...my year was off
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I'd like to read one of the werewolf-orientated novels of hers, can you recommend one?
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you can also kill them by hitting themr the head with a cold iron rod, forcing it to eat salt, making it drink Holy Water (this only works if the werewolf was/is Christian), or submerging it in salt water. All cures are most likely fatal.
Asanbosam:
African vampires that have hooked feet. They drink blood from their victims' thumb.
Bajang:
Malaysian vampires that appear to mortals as skunks. They tend to prey upon the same family for generations, and can be controlled by a sorcerer.
Baobhan Sith:
The Baobhan Sith are the old Scottish form of vampires. They appear as beautiful young women who kill men by dancing with them until the men are too weak to resist their powers.
Ch'ing Shih:
A Chinese vampire that has poisonus breath. One can escape the Ch'ing Shih by spilling rice on the ground; the Ch'ing Shih has a need to count any spilled rice that it comes across.
Dakini:
A type of Tibetan vampire.
Dracul:
Vampires from Austria.
Empusa:
The Empusa are vampires from the Mediterranean region, and are related to incubi and succubi. While they hunt they appear to be beautiful young women. When they have finished feasting on the blood of their victims they turn into hags.
Jaracara:
Jaracara are snake-like vampires from Brazil. They do not drink blood, but instead drink the breast milk of sleeping women.
Khadro:
A type of Tibetan vampire.
Krvopijac:
Vampires from Bulgaria. They are most easily identified by the fact that they have one nostril. In order to destroy a Krvopijac a magician must capture its spirit in a bottle and then burn it.
Kwakiytl:
A type of vampire from North America.
Mulo:
The Mulo are vampires from Serbia. They can travel in sunlight and darkness, and drink not only their victims' blood but their flesh as well.
Muron:
An ancient type of vampire from Wallachia (the old name for Romania).
Nosferatu:
A name for Eastern European vampires.
Ogolgen:
Bohemian vampires.
Strigoi:
Vampires from Romania.
Wampir:
Wampirs come from Russia. They do not use fangs to drink the blood of their victims, but use a special Your text goes herestinger that is located under their tongue. The Wampir can walk around in the daylight, and must be burned in a special way to be killed.
Vampires from India are said to look like old women, but have two heels on each of their feet.
Ways to Kill a Vampire:
Driving a stake through its heart
Shooting it with a silver bullet
Getting it to go into the sun
Decapitating it
Burning it
Drowning it in salt water
Coercing it into a corked bottle and then burning it
Things that will Ward-Off a Vampire:
Christian Cross
Holy Water
Bells
Garlic
Ways to Keep a Vampire in its Grave:
Surrounding the grave with iron filings (or any iron items)
Putting garlic on the grave
Driving nine spindles into the grave three days after the person had died
Putting a fence around the grave
Buring tow on to of the grave
Making a pile of stones on top of the grave
Pouring boiling water onto the grave
Ways to Keep a Corpse from Becoming a Vampire:
Breaking its spine
Putting lard from a hog slaughtered on St. Ignatius' Day onto it
Decapitating it and putting the head in a strange place or destroying it
Disolving the corpse's heart in Vinegar
Putting a stake into its heart
Putting a nail into its skull
Covering the grave with a wild rose bush
Burying it at a crossroads (but onl if it was a suicide victim)
Ways to Become a Vampire:
Being bitten by a vampire
Drinking the blood of a vampire
Being burried with ones mouth open
Comitting suicide and not being buried at a crossroads
Dying excommunicate
Dying unbaptized
Dying while recovering from being a werewolf
Comitting sucide
Dying from a fall off the left side of a wagon
Having a mother who slept with demons
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I find that interesting since on Sesame Street since The Count is a parady of Count Dracula, and he loves to count things: bats, cars, whatever. Kind of creepy actually...
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I find that interesting since on Sesame Street the Count is a parady of Count Dracula, and he loves to count things: bats, cars, whatever. Kind of creepy actually...
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And one day the lycans got tired to be pets and started a war with the vampires witch the blood suckers have no chance. The mind of a vampire goes '' they are animals, so we treat them as dogs'', but a mind of a werewolf goes '' vampire means LUNCH'' and thats it the vampires got what they wanted, a CARNAGE!!!
And if they go like ''oh we are imortals, so we are betters than any living human bean walking the earth'' let's keep things this way
Vampires:
- they live and act in a human body as vampires
- they only move at night
-they have to drink blood to survive
-they are weak
Lycans:
- they live and act as werewolves in a two-feet wolf walking
- they can move whenever they want
- they have to feed of course but we are very much stronger than vampires
So if this is war, the blood suckers can take it
Vampires
Comment by HammerOfGod
In Interview With The Vampire we encounter Louie who is very distraught at the fact that he must kill, also in the new series True Blood we see vampires that still have very much human traits.
With werewolves again it depends on the film or the author as to if they are immortal or unaware of what they are doing.
remember the tv series Werewolf? kinda cheesy show sort of like The Hulk with fur and teeth. I actually liked it. There we encountered ancient werewolf played by Chuck Connors who was immortal and could change whenever he wanted.
also for those who said there are not hot werewolf women...I take it you've never seen Ginger Snaps
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sorry
and for vampires, I may be a elitist, but I really don't care for the vampires of Interview, Buffy,Southern Vampire series, and Twilight.
I like my vampires bad ass Like Christopher Lee's Dracula, John Carpenters Vampire, etc.
What I like about those books , is they give the vampires human emotions and feelings, but they've really watered down the powers and ferocity of the vampires.
I'm actually working on a vampire novel(I record in on tape and my wife types, good thing because I hate spell check LOL, as you can tell from my posts)
My vampires are a bit different, they can move around in day light with sun glasses because their eyes are very sensative to sun light.They can eat and drink food and liquids(though they need blood from a live human to survive) They can not shape shift or turn into mist, but the have super human strength, speed, agility, hearing, smell, sight, and are still immortal. they can not fly though are able to jump great distances and have the power of suggestion.
My "hero" is a ancient vampire detective/assassin who is sent by the elders to investigate and deal with a situation where an old vampire(the only ones capable of turning) is turning people and leaving them with out instructing and educating them(a capital offense in my vampire universe}. These new vampires, not knowing how to use their powers correctly and were never told that they can not kill humans if it's not called for. are basically going on a killing spree.
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I haven't seen Ginger Snaps Back ... Same actors??
Have you seen Abel Ferrara's The Addiction?
That presents vampirism in a whole new (monochromatic) light.
I like 30 Days of Night and Near Dark for its animal like ferocity.
The original Nosferatu from 1922 is brilliant for atmosphere and creepiness.
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yes I've seen the addiction. Christopher Walken is one of my favorite actors
Near Dark is one of my favorite films of the genre
30 days of night is also another favorite, my only issue with it was they made the lesser vampires to animalistic
I tried to make the book funny as well. I have penned three humorous plays for our local theater company
Chapter two of the book opens with my main character(a real vampire) not being allowed into a vampire theme night club because he does not fit the image of the club. according to the doorman "buddy, if you want to get in you at least need to try and look like a vampire"
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of all the myths, books and films
the vampire seems more in control. People can have an encounter with a vampire and may not be attacked
with werewolves it seems if you are around when it changes, odds are it's going to attempt to have you for dinner
also the vampire seems to have much more supernatural powers in it's arsenal then a werewolf
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I'm incredibly fussy when it comes to mixin comedy with horror. As a rule I prefer my horror straight and hard. But there are exceptions to that rule. I really dig Vampire's Kiss and I also really enjoy From Dusk Till Dawn.
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VAMPIRES:
Immortal,seductive(i read soemwhere in the early posts...get turned into vampire when ure ugly???no way...like u all know..vampires are smart..they wont bite an ugly dude..),they HAVE somewhat control of what they are doing from the very beggining after "being turned".Now,like EVERY book says:they need blood,there fore they must feed...but lemme ask u this..have u seen that seris(i think it was ER with george clooney)..in there a patient comes in the hospital and tells the nurse:
"could u please give me a bag of b- blood?'
the nurse asks why..then the old dude(he was ugly too..which is weird)he said:
im a vampire,and i need blood,but i dont want to harm other people..so i beg u..please give me one bag...(GIVE ME ONE SHOT MAN!one sniff...im dried up..and im addictive lol)...then he says hell either die or kill someone if he doesent get the blood...i dunno what happened next...but its an example that evne when vampires get blood thirsty they can maintain control...
WEREWOLFES:
they are wild,uncontrolable at the beggining...but they AGE..which is important..becouse..a vampire never dies from old age..where werewolfes,they can get old...and fragile..BUT,they have a human form most of the month(like a period??)but when the full moon comes out they turn into a hairy form..and if not in control..they CAN and DO kill everyone around them..but they CAN maintain control...cush as..know when the full moon rises and bind oneself with chains...another thing..a werewolf is born(or made)with what i beleive is known populary among the people...DUDE!!IM NOT GAY!!STOP KISSING ME IN THE NECK!!!...or another werewolfes bite...or so i think...there a many beleifs and folklores about how u become a werewolf...but that aplies for vampires as well...
so i say...they BOTH can control their "dark side...its all a matter of will and soul...if the vampire wants to hunt..he will lure the prey with sexapeal and other stuff...and then kill him...but if he has controll...hell do what the ugly dude did in ER...while werewolfes...dont have the NEED to kill people..i mean,sure,when they are in wolf form..they are wild and most of the time they dont know what they are doing...but if they have control over their wolf form(i use wolf form cos its cool-ishier lolz)they dont need to kill people..of course there are the arguments that they need blood too..but i say one word to that...ADRENALIN!!!yes,when they re turned they get an adrenaline rush and the urge to fight..more.and MORE...but if one can control it..they dont need to kill...
now i know i said more about werewolfs...but thats cos im a werewolf fan...and that doesent change my opinion that BOTH can HAVE control...
tell me what u think of meh comment
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and that is pretty cool about your dad being in 30 days of night
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Second of all heres what I'm bringing to the table;
It is clear that both werewolves and vampires represent the darker side of humanity. On one side of the spectrum is the brutal, untameable beast and on the other the subtle and manipulating seducer. These incarnations of vampire and werewolf reflect the darker urges we are all, as humans, subject to. To indulge in these dark whims without control or thought is to essentially become either one of these monsters. I suggest that werewolves and vampires represent two different forms of a complete loss of control/morality over self.
A vampire is the epitome of selfishness and decadence. They are portrayed as having being indulged in every pleasure of the flesh, often represented as sensual, cruel and inhumane. They are most certainly a manifestation of uncontrolled desire. Desire to control and dominate at the expense of others.
Werewolves are similar. They represent natural urges obeyed without question. They are brutal dominating and violent. It is clear that the form of a wolf is representative of the disintegration from human into beast, as all form logic and rational thinking are lost. This is can be seen as a complete lack of control over primal urges.
Impulse and desire, werewolf and vampire. The materialistic and lustful side of ourselves, which craves the flesh, must be brought under control. The urges to dominate, fight, kill, reproduce, eat, gather and ravage likewise. The manipulating vampire and violent werewolf could be considered two sides of the same coin, in that they both completely lack certain aspects of control.
An unlikely compromise perhaps?
Btw if you were smart you’d know werewolves are so much better then those melodramatic, overdone romantic, poofy, poetry writing, pathetic, crybecauseihaveitworsethenany bodyelcebutcan’tdie, late Victorian dressing, vampires.
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Some good comments there, but I didn't take to the sneer of your snout at the end "btw if you were smart ..."
The whole point of this debate is to ruffle feathers and coax people's opinions ... it's got nothing to do with whether I'm smart or not.
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Maybe I got a little carried away >.<
My bad everyone
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Vampires allways wanna suck your blood. But a werewolf can just go hunting when he's hungry. If you paper cut yourself with a vampire around, YOUR GONNA DIE! Also, werewolves have their senses hightend to the max, along with super-agility. I would say werewolves own all.
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As far as control, gonna have to go with vampire. The vampire is actually thinking and calculating, enjoying death and the torment. The werewolf is operating on instinct and the need for survival. Not to mention the werewolf I believe just eats what is available. If it were in the wilderness, I'm sure it would eat bear, deer or whatever was in range, not making any distinction, just food. Of course I'm basing this off of what I've seen in movies. Besides Underworld which actually shows the wolves choosing and thinking, not just operating on instinct.
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William, yeah, hopefully better than the crappy first two movies, even if Kate Beckinsale is hot to trot. Although she's not in the prequel, the equally hot Rhona Mitra is!
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usvampires don't like the fact that they must kill to survive. They know they must, and so they do, but they do it as few times as they can and they try to make their... victim... feel as little pain as possible.Wevampires, are usually much more in control of ourselves then werewolves, although someof usvampires tend to try and become more instinctive when they feed so that they don't have to think about it as much. Also,wevampires aren't at all immortal, although manyof usvampires do live prolonged lives (most live to somwhere between 100 and 200 years of age). We act almost perfectly normal during the daytime, and all sunlight does is makeourvampires' vision more dull and make it much harder not to give in toourtheir instincts. Vampires don't necessarily look more handsome or beautiful than others, but we do, without trying, attract others and are able to, to some extent, manipulate them. We do have cold skin, but not too cold - our heart beats, just slowly and with cooler blood. I do not know that much about werewolves, because I have never seen one. I do, however, feel strongly opposed to them, for they don't seem like the types of creatures I would like.Comment by Anonymous
usvampires don't like the fact that they must kill to survive. They know they must, and so they do, but they do it as few times as they can and they try to make their... victim... feel as little pain as possible.Wevampires, are usually much more in control of ourselves then werewolves, although someof usvampires tend to try and become more instinctive when they feed so that they don't have to think about it as much. Also,wevampires aren't at all immortal, although manyof usvampires do live prolonged lives (most live to somwhere between 100 and 200 years of age). We act almost perfectly normal during the daytime, and all sunlight does is makeourvampires' vision more dull and make it much harder not to give in toourtheir instincts. Vampires don't necessarily look more handsome or beautiful than others, but we do, without trying, attract others and are able to, to some extent, manipulate them. We do have cold skin, but not too cold - our heart beats, just slowly and with cooler blood. I do not know that much about werewolves, because I have never seen one. I do, however, feel strongly opposed to them, for they don't seem like the types of creatures I would like.Comment by Bryn
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...and to add on to what he said that i think werewolves would be more dangerous since they dnt have control.
in most of the literature i have read vampires always use intelect to win their batlles as on the other hand werewolves use both intellect and brute strength
i personally am all werewolve probably because i have the werewolve gene in my family
aand going back to (dnt feel like going back through all of that) werewolves are loving and loyal
so the fact that the curse happens to them that when they transform they betray thier loved ones
(kinda ironic dnt you think)anyways i belive that werewolves have the ability to be in more in control of their daekside and when in their human form they could be trying to find a way to control it so........
yea
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...and to add on to what he said that i think werewolves would be more dangerous since they dnt have control.
in most of the literature i have read vampires always use intelect to win their batlles as on the other hand werewolves use both intellect and brute strength
i personally am all werewolve probably because i have the werewolve gene in my family
aand going back to (dnt feel like going back through all of that) werewolves are loving and loyal
so the fact that the curse happens to them that when they transform they betray thier loved ones
(kinda ironic dnt you think)anyways i belive that werewolves have the ability to be in more in control of their daekside and when in their human form they could be trying to find a way to control it so........
yea
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...and to add on to what he said that i think werewolves would be more dangerous since they dnt have control.
in most of the literature i have read vampires always use intelect to win their batlles as on the other hand werewolves use both intellect and brute strength
i personally am all werewolve probably because i have the werewolve gene in my family
aand going back to (dnt feel like going back through all of that) werewolves are loving and loyal
so the fact that the curse happens to them that when they transform they betray thier loved ones
(kinda ironic dnt you think)anyways i belive that werewolves have the ability to be in more in control of their daekside and when in their human form they could be trying to find a way to control it so........
yea
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werewolves every time
1: they can change at will
2: its not a curse, i think its more of a blessing come on-immortality, instincts of an animal and the brains of a human, you get to hunt and no one can say anything about it, you can eat as much as you want and no one can say anything, physically toned and sexy with rugged looks rather than suave sexiness, they have awesome hair and can do wt the hell they like n dont have to fit in
i ges the only problem with a werewolf would b the fleas lol
vamps cant enter the sunlight
they NEED to fead where as a werewolf can choose to feed
and they have to listen 2 classical music
sorry but i'd go psycho if i had 2 live like tht
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I think vampires arte better then werewolves because they are dont sleep at night wererwolves do
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I personally like vampires, 'cuz they're really cool. First off, they can fly and run really fast, and they aren't like the flesh-hungry, die-hard, cold-hearted, dirty werewolves. no offense intended to anybody.
But also, werewolves are good because they can actually go out in the day, and they aren't fully controlled by a thirst for blood (or, in their case, flesh). BUT though they are controlled by their darker side under the full moon, they still have their human side, right? Only transforming into a werewolf under the light of a full moon, whereareas a vampire is always a vampire. (Right?)
But I'm not really reliabe on this topic. I've read a few books on vampires, one or two on werewolves, and I've researched them (each) a little bit., but I'm no where near an expert on either creature.
Long story short, they both have flaws, and they both have advantages.
I still like vampires better.
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By: Thomas Moreau
Everyone has there own thoughts and beliefs about Vampires and Werewolves/Lycans but who is truly right..?
I've seen all the movies and read all the book, I've surfed the web and I tell you the answers changes constantly, everyone has there own version, legends, myths and stories to tell! and everyone is entitled to there own beliefs!
Me personally, I luv the movie Van Helsing and the Underworld Movies and I'm looking forward to go see the new one Rise of the Lycans this weekend. As for books, I've recently seen the new Twilight movie and that got me into reading all four book... Although I am sickened by the fact that in these book the Vampires seem to "shine/sparkle" in the sun rather then burn... I still like the twist and the idea of Vampires who can go in the sunlight, much like Blade! (Day Walker) but again I would like to point out these are movies, not the real thing and that the only true way to know any of these things would to become either a vampire or werewolf are self's..!
.. I know some ppl think it silly and some what stupid... but I do believe in Vamps and Lycans... and I have given it careful consideration, as to which side I would choose if the opportunity presented it self?
Vampire or Werewolf?
As it so happense, I am a big fan of Lycans (werewolf's) but Vamp fans dont get me wrong... Just because I say I like the wolf doesn't mean I don't choose the path of a Vamp...
See I personally, grew up with the fear of DEATH!
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I re-call my child hood nightmares... Waking up in fear and tears at the thought of one day dieing, I re-call my grandmother rushing into my room at late hours of the night to comfort me and tell me it would be alright that the lord god would watch over me and protect me and never let anything bad happen to me but she also said that there will be a time where are lord god and savior will call upon us to join him in the heavens...
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But I could never take comfort in her words... I would still have nightmares of mine and my family's death, loosing those closest to me, having my name lost in time, never to be remembered and never know what lay waiting for me after death... Is there anything? is there a god? I would like to think so, yet even tho I rarely have those nightmares today, my fear still to this day leaves me knowing with out hesitation that if the opportunity to become an immortal creature of the night (vampire) ever presented it self to me I would take it, again with out hesitation and I would do my best to control it, like the Cullen family from Twilight... I would do my best to live a normal life!
Now I only mentioned Vampire there because unlike Vampires, Werewolf's only live for so long... It's true they are immortal as well, just like the Vamp's but only for a certain amount of time... Eventually they will go back to being humans and one day die, as my new fav book series Twilight describes in full and better detail.
I started having my nightmares at a young age every night till I was 12 years old, I am currently 19 yet still like I said from time to time get those horrific nightmares, they are not as bad as they were for me as a child yet they still have me sitting up at late hours of the night in my bed with fear and pain in my eyes, worried of loosing the ones I luv and the ones closet to me..! (I rarely sleep these days!)
As for the main Question of this blog...
There are many different ways to look at this but...
Vampires need the blood whether humans or animal, it does not matter but it is required, I personally would choose to feed on the blood of an animal, rather then end another life! (again read Twilight, for my views and beliefs are similar to the Cullen family)
As for the Wolf, it is still very difficult to judge...
Yes they seem freakishly huge and at times I'm sure scary but I don't believe they are truly dangerous at all... Like a normal dog, if u anger the animal it will turn and attack... So don't piss off a Lycan, that seems to make the change from man/women to beast, more inevitable for them. I believe that a Werewolf can control its self once in its Wolf form but again all Wolf's are different just like each human is different... A human who goes to anger management, probably wouldn't be the greatest Werewolf... I'm sure in that case the rage would be to much and the animal instinct would over power to human spirit and take over causing havoc and mayhem in its wake.
Unlike say... A very loving, peaceful person, I'm sure someone like that would be able to control the change and there emotions allot better.
So what it all comes down to is there is no right or wrong answer... There are good Vamps and bad Vamps... Good Dogs and Bad Dogs...
I will not say either one is worse or better then the other, for both are equal in my mind, especially when it comes to controlling there darker side!
(it all depends on how you choose to live your life with the gift/curse/new life you are handed!)
Haha, now I have an idea as to how Vamps and Wolfs became to be... Silly I know, I'm sure I may be wrong but it was a thought I had one day and I don't see any reason why not... I would like to share it with all of u and get your feed back on how either silly/stupid or possible this may be...
My theory:
In the beginning, "god" created all man and women to live "forever"... Until the "bible" says "Adam & Eve" tasted the forbidden fruit and god cursed them to live the short lives we humans live today.
Now... I believe Vampires are rly fallen "angels"... Because they come from "up above" (heaven) they are "cold" and there beauty, strength and speed are match by no mortal being (plus in Twilight they shine with light when in the sun) so I believe god allowed some "angels" back on earth to live there lives as the immortals we were all meant to be, here on earth but at a price... They would need to drink the blood of humans to stay on the earth, for they are no longer human, they need the blood to allow there bodies to stay on earth otherwise there souls would be gone forever, lost in total darkness, as I personally fear!
Now this is were the Wolfs come in... For those of you who don't know the "dog" is a sign of the underworld, a demon, a hound from hell... Now I believe the "devil" was angry with god for allowing his angels on earth, because the angels could bite and turn other humans into immortal beings as well... Never having to die. The devil didn't like this because souls that were meant to go to him were locked away on earth, never to leave there humans bodies, so the devil sent his own angels... "Hounds of Hell" (Lycans) to earth with one single purpose to reed the earth of the Vamps to allow the souls to continue and make there way into the fiery pit of Hell. This would explain why Werewolf's are so warm and why they only live as immortals for so long, because unlike god, the devil wanted his "angels souls" to finally make there way back to him in Hell!
and this is how I believe, Vamps and Lycans came to be and why there is this battle that rages between both races!
Thx, for reading my Long Comment ><
I hope I have been of use and that I have shined some light on the topic at hand and given you all a new out look on Vamps & Wolfs!
Sincerely,
Thomas J. Moreau
sgt.moreau@hotmail.com
ps. I thought I should mention, if there are any of you out there who share my thoughts and beliefs please, feel free to contact me. Also if anyone out there can turn me or help me on my quest/journey to be turned into either a Vamp or Wolf! I know it wont be easy, a long shot but I would be for ever in your dept!
To be reed of my DREAMS and purged of my fear, to live... In a world with out pain and walk this earth till the end of time!
Again Thank You.
Comment by dudes
a blood bath, where wolfe at first finds them, bites one, cut a notherone in half, a nother one is alrady stabed side ways on a tree, and the last one triyng to escape, flying, the werewolve
gets him by the leg and crashes down on the ground making the vamps hart explode, the vamp cut in half tries to crall away and the wherewolve biets the vamps head of (dont think he survived that) then stabs its harry hand into the biten vamp, taking all of its intestines and heart out, and of course taking a bite out of it and the last vamp, still trying to brake of the branch of the tree throu his chest shares one more dathe with the hungry, !REAL! hungry werewolve.
vamps are sexy and all, they have more control over their dark side but, sence the wherewolve kiled all the male vampires, he ends up like a vampire pimp still beeing an invencible where wolve with an inmortality and harry course
where wolves beastly get what ever they want, and thats owsome.
vamps, dead, and dead dont and cant biet,
Comment by Anonymous
this is my answer:
vampires have control over their evil side, they know what they are doing and dont care, they only care for themselves, when you turn into a vampire you are no longer yourself your a vampire not the living person you once were, you lure your victims intentionally you can choose the victim etc, and you have little thought on what their feelings are.
as portrayed in alot of books and films.
and now werewolves which ARENT EVEN EVIL, is not even evil. define evil? is a lion evil for hunting prey? is a wolf? is a cat evil for killing the bet budgie nextdoor and eatting it. no, you can only do something evil if you can choose it, and intentionally cause pain/suffering on another. a werewolf (the person) has no control on what hes doing (in werewolf form) so hes not doing anything evil. hes just being as nature intended (supernaturally intended)
on a note about the whole cooler than what debate?
id have to say werewolves from underworld series, just being able to turn into such brute force on will and havea huge advantage over vampires (daylight).
shame blade isnt really a proper vampire, because that is.... cool
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replying to Thomas Moreau
i do know what you are getting at with the whole immortally thing, but as you said your 19. and you have a fear of death. in my opinion and im sure you will see this later on is that death is what makes us live. if we couldnt die then you would end up killing yourself anyway after a certain amount of time and depression when everyone around you dies. sure maybe you would like to live longer? at a certain age ofc not an old man. but in the end you will find content and decide to "leave". just like a long night out and the only thing you want is a good nice sleep.
oh and as my opinion i really really hope there is no afterlife, i dont want to sound emo or anything i enjoy being alive
Comment by LamiaRexRgis
Though I must say, each creature keeps reign over their senses while transformed, no matter what they've become. It's just that neither species really cares. I mean, no matter the transformation they overtake, they're still themselves, are they not? Same minds, same people, same souls. The only difference is that in this new change, they feel more alive; more free. Like they can do whatever they please and no one has the power to stop them. They can specifically do whatever they want. They could possibly keep away from humans while they aren't themselves, but do they want to?
It's all basically dependent on whom of the creature you're looking at. One, say, Vampire might hate the humans because they murdered the Vampire's parents and family or so forth, so feels a deep loathe towards the human race. Or you could be dealing with a Vampire who's never been in any way harmed by a human, nor has any they've ever loved, and feel there's honestly no point in making more of what they were once taught to fear, considering they were once humans, only bitten.
And the same goes for Werewolves. If you're looking at one who's had an awful past with them, and hates them with all the black in their heart, they'd certainly want to kill them. But with no human interference in their lives ever, they'd feel no need, would they not?
So it mainly depends on the fact of whom you're looking at and what day they're having, really. If they feel like humans have done them all the wrong in the world and deserve what they've brought upon themselves, a Vampire or Werewolf would feel perfectly fine with killing off a small town of settlers. Where-areas if the Vampire or Werewolf was once a human, they might feel a sense of sorrow and ease and sympathy towards their past race, and will purposely avoid those whom they know would be in a sort of moral danger near them (in other words, every human).
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But if you only focus on what werewolves and vampires have traditionally been, you will find yourself in stories such as Nosferatu, the vampire who could control rats... not at all the contemporary idea of what a vampire is, and we are in modern times with our own established ideas.
So take a look at the two in popular culture.
Alas, I don't think very many have mentioned it for a while here... but the character Lupin in Harry Potter is an excellent form of a modern werewolf. He is a normal human (wizard?) who bears a curse that has him beaten to weakness. He is assisted by other to keep control of his dark side, but regardless of what happens or who he is with, if he does not drink his potion, he kills anyone in sight. Also in Harry Potter, Fenrir Greyback, who I believe is in control of his dark side, in the sense he embellishes it.
Vampires in popular culture are slightly more intriguing, the first thought the comes to my mind is (swallows) Twilight. There is also the Underworld trilogy, perhaps the epitome of Vampire vs. Werewolf, but I'll get to that later.Twilight, though it is a love story shows vampires in their height of sexual appeal as yet seen, and their high level of control. The Cullens choose not to feed on human blood, while the other family (curse my memory) chooses to feed explicitly on human blood, displaying control and choice over their dark side. Also, curiously, Twilight removes the traditional effect of sunlight on vampires (though it did bother them, it was no longer fatal), and though it is not traditional, it is what people may come to expect out of vampires in the future and should be considered in my next argument...
So far, the vampires have won the battle of control, though not by much having Lupin, Greyback, and Lycans from Underworld as examples. I did my part and answered the question, but I recently finished the Underworld trilogy, which has me buzzing about Vampires vs. Werewolves.
Underworld is a very modern view of vampires and werewolves, going so far as to include ultraviolet and silver bullets to do extra damage to vampires and werewolves, respectively. (Modern popular culture where sunlight does kill vampires... perhaps a fading trend? We shall assume not so... for now) Not only did the vampires have the incredible sexual appeal (Kate Beckinsale... ROWR!!!(not a werewolf howl)), but were shown as suave, sophisticated, cunning, traditional, and just darn cool. The, lets face it, antagonist Lucien commands a somewhat brutish-appealing pack of animals (I know, I know Lucien would kill me for saying it, but look at some of those guys and tell me they don't look like the wrong end of some hairy animal)
Look at the movies, you won't regret it (the 2nd one is kind of weak)
Here is my scoring system:
Control of Inner Darkness
Vampires 9/10
Werewolves 4/10
Fear
Vampires 5/10
Werewolves 7/10
Attractiveness (Sexual)
Vampires 9/10
Werewolves 5/10
Strength
Vampires 6/10
Werewolves 8/10
Intelligence
Vampires 8/10
Werewolves 5/10
Weaknesses (i.e. sunlight, silver, stakes, holy water)
Vampires 3/10
Werewolves 6/10
Dude, there may be more categories, please introduce them but this is really the only thing you need to know
Coolness
Vampires 10
Werewolves 0-4 at tops
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cheers for your elaborate, comprehensive comment.
So are you suggesting that vampires have more weaknesses or that they have less weaknesses than werewolves, I wasn't sure which way to read the 3/10.
As for "coolness" ... that one I beg to differ. That is entirely subjective to one's own aesthetics. Personally I find werewolves "cooler" because I dig the primal animal element, which is essentially darker and more visceral. I also tend to gravitate away from what is in popular culture considered cool, and vamps have always held that mantle.
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tradition versus change, traditional power versus individual desire.....There is no right answer one side appeals to one side of us the other to the other side....
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I have noticed a lot of people mentioning what the two eat, and using it to describe who is best. Yes, the vampire need blood, and the wolves just like their meat bloody, be really this does not give us a scope on who is in more control or not. Going by that then I must be a raving beast since I love my steak rare. But I'm not. . . well except for those 3-5 days or for 9 months straight, but otherwise I am nice. :0)
I have managed to find new authors that portray both the vamp and wolf. Only a few of them say a wolf is immortal, and if you think about it we humans only get about 50-80 years tops and look what havoc we create. Now think if we had a lot more time, or if we could go running though the forest or open field.
I still hold the belief that vamps have more contol in the long run then wolves they just have the time to get it under control. A wolf is allowed to kill its prey while a vamp cannot. So therein leaves me to understand that from the beginning a vamp is taught control where a wolf is not.
Having your darker side be allowed out every now and then would make it harder to control if you are always suppressing it, although I fear for the person who really ticks the vamp off and makes it go off on him/her.
BTW Bryan, you ever get around to reading the Anita series and if so did you like or not?
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Cheers for the comments.
No, actually I still haven't got around to reading an Anita Blake novel.
Which one do you recommend most highly?
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I always wanted to make a movie where all the were manifestations of the darker nature are united
Comment by dyer_werecreatures
i think vampires are quite cool, they have strength, agility, increased senses and look human but they cannot go in the sunlight as it will kill them and they gain no pleasure from, food, drink and sexual things.
werewolves on the other hand have also increased strentht, speed, senses and look human except when they transform. the werewolf is usually bigger and probably stronger than the vampire whereas the vampire is usually faster and more agile. the werewolf however can go out in the sun and is therefore not confined to the night and they gain pleasure from food, drink and sexual things.
however the fact that most werwolves are forced to change during the fullmoon and have no control is off putting but so is the fact that vampires cant go out in daylight.
therfore i prefer lycanthrope which is a different form or werewolves (kind of). a lycanthrope can change into there from at will and is therefore not a slave to it as a vampire and werewolf is. the lycanthrope can change and change back when he/she feels like it and therefore have the most control.
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assuming the immortality is limited to vamps...which I doubt my choice would be the vampire....my civilized side the one that wants to be safe and fed and watch TV on the week ends and play on my computer, and do most of my "hunting" withing sight of a good cafe the one that wants respect from civilized people...likes the vamp..
on the other hand who hasn't dreamed of tossiing away the daily grind of modern life and run with the wolves.. the side of me that wants to not care about any of that ...to hunt for the sake of hunting..to howl at the moon because it is there ....etc etc likes the werewolf........
It just depends on which side you listen too
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werwolf has little or no control as when they transform they turn into a uncontrolable beast.
lycanthrope( form of werewolf) has pretty good control as it can change at will and remains dominant but will sometimes be forced to change if it gets really angry.
newborn vampire: little control - 10% control as the thirst for blood is overwhelming.
older vampire: good control - 75%-80% as it can control its self but sometimes may loose control when gets too thisty.
ancient vampire: excellent control - 99% control as it can easily contain its thirst but if deprived for a long period of time it MIGHT loose control too thirst (but it would have to be a long time)
werewolf: bad control - 5% control as it can control its self when human but when the full moon is out it is a total slave to the beast.
lycanthrope(form of werewolf): excellent control - 95% control as it can change at will and remain dominant but may be forced to change if gets too angry.
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I do sometimes wonder where other members of the supernatural mythology fit in .....ghosts, ghouls, witches etc... what they represent ........where they fit in the
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but then again my girlfriend is a vampire, so overall this feud is kind like a sibling thing. 2 things coming from the same thing.
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Can someone help me please? He's starting to become a pain in my rear..
Many thanks.
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i have to say werewolves they are cooler and just like bikers even though they rough on the outside they are reallyn some of the sweetest people you could meet
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The Werewolf on the other hand has no control of himself/herself while taken form. But the lycan has complete control of their actions before their "inner beast" takes over. They have control over their emotions so if they let themselves become angered releasing themselves its their fault. The can also prepare themselves for the full moon letting them separate themselves from the rest of society.
In summary, Vampire or Werewolf, they both have complete control of themselves. It really just depends on their personality traits. Some Vampires choose to give into their darker side and some Werewolves choose to take advantage of the small space of time during the full moon to wreck havoc upon people, or to enrage themselves so that they may seek revenge upon those they despise. We see this in every manner of book or movie consisting of the two. The manner in which they choose to act reflects upon their personalities. They both have complete control of themselves just some are arrogant and ignorant (therefore stupid) and others are rational and premeditated in their actions.
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Thank you for the compliment by the way
I used to be a journalist for small newspaper...even wrote a kids book about a goldfish....Ihave a BA....
Know anybody who needs a good horror movie critic or out of work reporter
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Cheers for the props on the blog being an e-mag. Essentially it is one really, just not very sophisticated in its layout and design. I'd love for some wealthy benefactor to offer me in funding a good old fashioned hardcopy version of Horrorphile - Pleasure of Nightmares to be brutally honest! Although I wouldn't be able to publish trailers, of course ... Or perhaps offer to fund me my own website and a healthy weekly income to run it.
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You might not be able to run all you want but I bet if you put a counter on the sight and could get enough people to log in...you could get permission for trailers from new and recent rereleases ...its just a matter of phone calls and emails for permission..some places will even send it too you for free....once you are established..you could even get people to publish homemade clips and invite comment
We used to get free CDs at the paper I worked at all the time and it was a tiny 8,000 circulation rag with a just a few thousand web viewers....I have heard there are cheap and free ad sites for small businesses like ad sense...
As for money I'm flat broke but if you ever need a worker drone I work cheap and love to watch movies
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I was actually referring to not being able to run trailers in a print mag LOL ...
To be honest I don't have the time to run an e-mag by myself, and I certainly don't have the capital to employ other people to help run one. Hosting this blog is a labour of love, I earn my bread as a professional DJ so you can imagine how exhausted I get, DJing at night, writing during the day.
If and when I get major sponsership I might look into expanding into an actual online mag, but for the moment, hosting this blog chews up enough time and effort as it is, for very little revenue. I love doing it, but I have to be mindful of the bigger picture, so to speak.
Thanks for your support and interest though!
There you have it. Sorry I can't offer you a job.
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lycans rule!!!
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As this debate is nearing the year-and-a-half mark and is easily the most frequented post on this blog I thought I'd pose a fresh side-question to all the regular commentators and to any newbies too.
Name a favourite vampire and/or werewolf movie.
Please identify the sub-genre (vamp or lycan) as well, in case it's a rare and unusual movie, so others can take note.
Me? I'm gonna be indulgent; at the moment two adolescent flicks are tickling my dark fancy: Let the Right One In is my fave vampire movie and Ginger Snaps is my fave werewolf movie (although it's a few years old now).
But my all-time faves would probably be: Innocent Blood (vampire) and An American Werewolf In London (werewolf)
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My first and only point...
Vampires have opposable thumbs... Bad luck Mr Wolf
and fav movies?
Interview with the Vampire
Lost Boys
Underworld
Let the Right One In
Ive never seen a good werewolf one
except that goosbumps one....
The Werewolf of Fever Swamp
fkn terrifying back in the day lol
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If the basis for the power of the werewolf and vampire was to based on popular fiction then I think vampires would stand a little more a chance but would ultimately perish in the end. If your base for comparison is Werewolf: The Apocalypse and Vampire: The Masquerade then werewolves would totally destroy any vampire that they fought.
P.S. To the posters that say they havent seen any good werewolves in movies you should check out all three underworlds and van helsing. Do not base an idea of werewolves off of Cursed, Harry Potter and Blood & Chocolate.
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and even though vampires and werewolves are supposed to be more or less equally matched i thin werewolves would probably take the upper hand because i have seen more films and game and books were werewolves are totally stronger and more kickass.
i would probably say werewolves are srtonger but vampires are faster though. vampires are also usually loners aswell were as werewolves travel in packs so they usually outnumber any vampires anyway.
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But I've always been a Werewolf fan, solely because they look cool and are physically more powerful than vampires. Also, in the movie Van Hellsing, the Werewolf was the only thing which could stop Dracula, so they were created for stopping him.
Well, I think I said enough, thanks for listening ^^
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so to summarise vampires have time as they eventually become stronger but werewolves have numbers and start of stronger. p.s i am english
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2 b fair vampires cant escape their fate. they are always vampires, they always drink blood and are always bound to the night etc. this totally seperates them from humans but...
Werewolves however, can either 1.) only change at a full moon so they are only different from humans once a month or 2.) can change at will and if they choose they could never change at all. WErewolves can also go out in the daylight without been hurt or suffereing any other consequences and can eat human food etc.
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thats what I think the whole vamps versus lycans storyline is...the struggle between competing sides of the same evil or good....
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thats what I think the whole vamps versus lycans storyline is...the struggle between competing sides of the same evil or good....
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check out the world of darkness series Vampire The Masquerade and Werewolf The Apocalypse two very good series but are difficult to find in bookstores check amazon
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despite folk lore let me tell u the truth
vampires are born tht way but tend to kick of at puberty
their senses are sronger (usaly sight)
and they feed of blood and energy
they chose a main person to feed of whothey bond with so they only feed of there energy tht person becomes a werewolve
a werewolve despite what u belive never change neither does a vampire a werwolve is more or less a half human half wolf with animal instincts and better senses i know this because i am 1 and my best m8 is a vampire the only real diffrence is im more active and stronger -he is faster -he relys on blood -i have animal insincts
but he keeps me inline because otherwise im a bit of an animal hehe
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oh werewolves are better but i would say tht wouldnt i
oh nd half the crap u see in the movies is crap
any questions just ask me
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Vampires are all diffrent all over the world depending on the mythology or legends you are studding. From being almost bloated looking with a redish purple tint to being seductive to being able to terrorize nightmare haaunt dreams and to being able to transform form crows to bats to falme.
Besides, there are multiple legends and myths of good vampires, vampires that don't cause harm, even vampires that help people.
Most myths of vampires and werewolves they are bothimmortal but can dye in certan conditions from being burn or with a steak through the heart. Beeing killed while in human for or shoving peices or mmetal stone or bricks in a corpses heart there are ways each can die again from the origens of the legend.
This question: Which has more controll over thier darkerside? is a question that cannot accually be answered inless you pick one region of the world.
Somehow though I still side with vampires. Mabey the fact thatthey intrest me more, I am not sure.
Ps. most of the movies about vampires are from the Southeast Europeian legend which irritates me now to the point of screaming though it was what led me to my intrests in the supernatural, and my favorite subject, vampire mythology.
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so basically u ave 2 choose between
1.) neva seeing sun again and not going into ppls houses without permission or
2.) transforming forceably once a month and no silver.
personally i would rather ave sun than silver
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Vampires would probably be more fun to go to the movies with though...werewolves seem like monster truck pull fans
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By the way i also wrote the last to Anonymous blogs
and im only 10 but i LOVE reading ....well probably not as much as wolfgirl but still its pretty good the whole inheritence sereis in two days!!!
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In some shows they are unstoppable 12 foot long dire wolves that move in the blink of an eye ...in others they are just kind of Neandedrthals with fur and teeth ...or regular wolves that wear pants during the day ...In some shows vampires are really demons of immense power with inhuman strength in others they are more a like Goths on steroids who are allergic to sunlight...or canibals who work out a lot
It really depends on which model you follow ....In the Underworld mythology they balance out with only the most elder and powerful of each kind reaching that godlike level of power....
the traditional werewolf models I remember were more like the Lon Chaney kind while the Bela Legosi vamps
there is a show on cable called world's most deadliest warriors ...maybe we should ask them to decide
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The Darkness in the human soul has been there since the dawn of Time. We are a fundamentally flawed species. I don't believe it's the fault of a God, as I am an atheist, I think it's probably got more to do with Abstract Thought.
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i believe no species is entirely evil it just depends on the actual person/creature involved because of their free will because everyone has darkness and light in their souls.
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Live free or die sounds great when your 12 ....not so much when your older ....
Ill take immortality and the cool cape with the patent leather shoes any time
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P.S. tell me somthing what would u think if you saw this beautiful creacher that is very pale looks like ahumane but is sparkling like a bunch of dimonds are inbeded in its skin? please tell me=)
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o and no sparkling
sparkling: making vampires easier to target since 2008
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Comment by dyer_werecreatures
and yh vampires live longer, but then u would either ave 2 watch all of ur family and friends die or curse them with vampirism
and u will only get to live longer and have immortality if u can make it without eva being accidentally caught in the sun and dont piss of any stronger vampires or creatures. 1 mistake and ur outta there.
but a werewolf can make mistakes, the only thing that is poison to werewolves is silver (that i no about besides wolfsbane and plz say if u ave any contributions) and the majority of books i ave read state that silver only gives pain to the werewolf and will only kill them if comes in contact wiv the bloodstream coz it will poison the entire bloodstream and kill it. werewolves ave so much more freedom and fun coz it doesnt ave 2 b watching its own ass every 5 mins and usually travel in packs so that usually ensures protection anyway.
and u will def ave vampires AND werewolves who ave nearly perfect control of their 'dark sides' and both will lose that control when they need to feed/hunt.
and another thing, vampires would make gr8 leaders sure, they strong, manipulative and powerful but what happens when they need to go to a business metting at mid-day? or sumtime during the day sum1 forgets 2 shut the blinds and all of a sudden, poof! the manager of a 1 billion pound company gone and all that is left is a pile of burnt ashes?
any1 plz feel free to combat any of my points, i would b happy to c wot ppl ave 2 say about the points i ave made, no matter if it agreeing or disagreeing, i am curious, enlighten me
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i have read lots of books that varify what 'No twilight please' has said stating that it will only hurt if enough pressure is applied or if held long enough otherwise a red spot or rash appears.
but i disagree with the fact that only a small piece of silver will kill them because a bullet will not actual enter the bloodstream but will still poison it and a silver sword will have a similar effect. these 2 examples will not b small enough to stay in the blood stream but still poison the werewolf and kill them because it comes in contact with the blood which poisons them and will probably, eventually kill them
however there may b ways to prevent death (i am open for suggestions) because even though a werewolf may be shot or stabbed or face another form of fatal incoming with silver, they may still survive (any comments? i am curious how a werewolf may prevent death in a similar circumstance)
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I think they could avert the poisoning, if they have an organised society they have probably found an antidote while if there isn't a werewolf society the werewolf might just sleep it off, or revert back to human form, then again maybe he's just doomed.
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Werewolves are creatures that exude sexuality. Because they are animals. Sure they are some crazy hybrid of a human and an animal, but they would surely have the urges of any other animal, and this is why I find them to be far more intriguing. Vampires will seduce you because they want to drink your blood, but I have a fantasy that a werewolf would ravish a sexy lady and ravish her good! Then again, maybe I am the only one looking at it from this angle. I hope the Twilighters do not jump me for this stance. But if I had to choose which one of these creatures to be attacked by I would choose the one capable of giving me a little somethin somethin before I die! Unrelated topic, I really love this blog. Kudos to the author I am lucky to have happened upon it. Now I think I shall wander out into the woods and see what debauchery I can become involved with. but if I am being totally truthful I am going to read more posts on this blog. That may be the equivalent of running through the woods on a moonlit night I think.
Daniellita la verdad. Recognize.
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they state that vampires were selfish beings sought on drinking womens blood and getting as many slaves as one could possibly imagine. They were definatly sexualy apealing so to atract these women, it never states anything sexual as far as i know,
werewolves on the other hand were just normal people, who would come the full moon, transform into a mindless thoughtless monster, with no ability to tell loved ones from anyone else and just thought of everyone as food.
So to counteract Daniella's post i would have to say, if u are looking for a good "ravish" you would definately not want to meet a werewolf since his instinct to kill is far greater than his sexual instincts and he would kill you before "ravishing" you.
Therefore i am going to have to go with the vampire, although he is an outcast to society to the extent that he is not like you and me, the mindles violence at full moon is not something i'd like.
P.S i am no longer going by the name LOL TWILIGHT!
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I totally Agree with 'Prophet of Death', Vamps rule, Werewolves Drool, Lol.
Werewolves have no control over who they attack or 'ravish' except their pack. They may not be all Bloodthirsty, and 'let me find anyone so I can eat 'em' but anyone who smells like a stranger there gonna see 'em as a threat. They will stick with their pack (if they have one), and go hunting, (not Necessarily humans.)
Also originally Werewolves were Vampire's Protectors during the day, so they rebeled and Betrayed the Vamps, so that makes they Untrustworthy and Backstabbers!
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Could we please set some source rules over here?
I'm getting tired off ppl quoting single sources as absolute truths. (btw I was previously 'not twilight please'). But I'll react to this one anyway, just this once. You say werewolfs used to be the daylight protectors, now tell me, was that by their own choice or was this, as I suspect, slavery? And if they are so backstabbing, y do they not kill eachother?
And do not forget vampires once hungry is much more beastial then any werewolf could ever be.
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yes werewolves may or may not ave being the vampire's daylight guards but they were slaves and were forced 2 do this buy elder vampires who were powerful but they rebelled which means they ave the strength to fight bk.
also werewolves r nt backstabbers and r loyal to one another more so than vampires and humans as they will remain loyal to the pack unless the 'leader' is uncapable.
vampires r the really backstabbers as they r constantely plotting and betraying one another to seize power and they only care about themselves and blood.
and bk 2 Emerald_Vamp orginal point, even tho they may percieve strangers as threats they may not actually attack them. adnd this is also a great survival tactic as they will gather their pack and attack any threats which will harm them.
Prophet of Death, yes u could look at it that way but wot about a different point of view. how abuot modern tales of vampires and werewolves and the supernatural. some of these claim that werewolves can change at will and remain in full control wen if wolf form. this means they can act however they please and can b 'sexual' if hey want 2.
and another point, ppl say werewolves r savage and bestial but at least in a pack there is some sort of order so they rnt entirely savage and mindless, as they keep a quite sophisticated order and they ave certain pack rules to keep themselves in place but vampires have no rules. they r loners and r immortal which makes them arrogant and they believe they r more important than every1 else. this makes them more savage coz they dont ave an order, just please urself.
and if any1 wants a more private 1 on 1 discussion my email is seagreenslime@yahoo.co.uk.
ps. werewolves r the best
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And 'dyer_werecreatures' all Vamps aren't loners, they have a Hierachy just like Werewolves. You have a Big Vamp Boss which is the equivalent of an Alpha Werewolf. And in defence of all 'Backstabbing' Vamps, let me ask you this, If you had to live Forever and your 'Boss' was a complete Prick, would you sit back for eternity and do what they say? Didn't think so...
And the 'Sexy Vamps' is a survival tactic, coz I don't think many people would let a vamp suck their blood so the Vamp makes it Pleasurable to survive.
And if a Werewolf eats you, your Toast coz it'll actually eat you, but if a Vamp eats you, you may survive coz it'll only drink your blood.
And Wülf, lets just remember there is no REAL evidence of Vamps and Werewolves, so NONE of this is an 'ABSOLUTE TRUTH' And it doesn't matter what you 'Suspect' because you have no proof and EVERYONE on this site is going by what theyv'e read, or heard, ect.
But just Remember, Half the World is in Night...
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Could you recomend me some books about werewolves?
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u say vampires ave a hierachy but they dont. it may appear like a pyramid scheme were each vampire has minions, and each of them minions ave other minions but for a real hierachy u need trust. werewolves ave a successful hierachy coz they look out 4 wach other and trust each other but vampires r 2 busy plotting and schemeing against there 'bosses' that there is no trust and therefore a valid hierachy.
Emerald_vamp u say that vampires kill their 'bosses' coz they r pricks but infact most vampires r pricks coz they r immortal and arrogant as tbhey believe they r more important than everyone an everything else. the main reason they dont 'sit back for eternity' and betray their 'bosses' is coz they r all selfish and want that power 4 themselves, not coz they dislike them, but coz they want they want 2 kill and steal that authority and power.
and u say that a werewolf will defo eat u and kill u but how do u think ppl r turned? they survive, thats how, so they cant totally eat, devour and murder every1 or else there wouldnt b and werewolves.
and 2 b truthful, a vampire has just as much if not more chance of killing due to 'eating u'. wen a werewolf attacks u, u get turned into a werewolf 'basically' and the same goes 4 vampires and if werewolves and vampires attack the same number of ppl, they shuold effectively 'turn' the same amount roughly and this will increase their numbers. this is good 4 werewolves as they see numbers and strength coz they hunt in packs, so the more the merrier and stronger they r however the same isnt 4 vampires. they see numbers as threats, the more vampires there r, the more chance of sum1 betraying u and stealing ur power. so based on this information, vampires r more likely 2 kill u as turning u would not benefit them but it would benefit werewolves so this makes them less likely to 'eat' u and kill u.
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If cinematic and literary portrayals of the two species are correct vampires can drink almost any type of blood to survive...while most werewolves dont have enough presence of mind to be picky
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Anyway, Royale how are Vamps like bats and Rodents, yeah sure you get Vampire Bats but they are Prey and Vamps are Predators...
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and royale, just coz wolves 'are strictly monogamous and mate for life' that doesnt mean they dont get alot of sex coz it is up 2 the actual person and there character, if they were a lustful person when they were human then they will still remain lustful and if they had the 'presence of mind' b4 then they will still have it wont they? and vampires dont enjoy human pleasures such as sex so that argument is void anyway.
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I dissagree with the idea that vamps do not enjoy the same things people do...Depending on the cinematic and literary examples you observe they enjoy all the things people do, good food, good wine, and I bet good roll in the hay wether with another vamp or a human...
ASs to how vamps are like bats recent movies that show some transformation to a non human state are very bat like ie Van Helsing, underworld..so you could argue that they although they are not lycanthropes the bats was the totem used to bind their power to this plane....If vamps are just people with extas the argument that they are just as lustful as weres holds up even more
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and that bone u playing fetch with would most likely b ur arm bone wouldnt it.
and werewolves would only get fleas if they stayed in there wolf form 4 a long period of time and if they neva cleaned themselves just like a human could get nits.
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And speaking of fleas, Werewolves also Sniff and Lick their owns Buts! How gross would that be?!! LOL
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u could ave some werewolves and vampires listening 2 the same genre of music but i think it would also depend on their actual age aswell (not age when they turned i mean how long they ave bin turned 4). werewolves and vampires who have bin turned for lets say about 500 years will ave similar tastes as each other but different 2 werewolves and vampires who ave bin turned like 5 years ago. it just really depends on the actual persons taste and wot era they were turned in coz that will effect their tastes will it not?
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VAMPIRES all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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When you die your soul moves on to Heaven or Hell or it is re-born into someone or something else.
But if a Person dies then their soul moves on, but then they re-awaken as a Vampire, do they have a soul??
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there r of course many other resons but that would take forever to tell
please comment!!!
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i also notices that you people were comparing their curses saying that vampires suffer more because they are eternal. well my thing is that vampires are the walking corpses of those who have lost there souls leaving nothing behind but an empty shell with only blood thirsty evil left inside. My opinion is that to a vampire being a vampire is not a curse becuase they have no conscience to feel bad about what they do so that makes them evil. if a werewolf kills someone it is out of rage. So in the end in my opinion if vampires represent pure evil and werewolves represent pure rage then werewolves in my opion are more controlable because once thier rage dies down then they have the option to feel bad about what they do were as vampires have no conscience and there for will never feel bad about what they do and have no reason to stop. I am obviously a big werewolf fan and i will admit i'm biased, but the way you people described them was way off.
Comment by ‡§µíñjødîñõáè†ý‡
First of all, I have no problems with vampires or werewolves, being, I like them both, but when it comes down to basics, werewolves/ or lycans whatever, they win. Hands down. Of course vampires would put up a fight but let's take it point by point, shall we?
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Watch the movie. I DARE a vampire to try and transform and fly away in midbattle, and he can't get away fast enough to transform, the werewolf's faster. So vampire only has range, but think about it lads. Some werewolves can CHOOSE to transform, meaning while vampires are shooting arrows and guns, what are the non-transformed werewolves doing? ''Diddo''
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Werewolf = Human turned lycan, proned to the fullmoon.
Lycan= %100 percent werewolf, the true breed, that generated from whatever curse or spell was put on them. Meaning all parents and such are lycans. That's what I think . . . so a werewolf? No . .I think it's mindless when transformed. But a lycan? . .I think THAT'S what's on Underworld. Those guys have more control . . . but a werewolf? Nah . .it's a mindless machine. Afterall, ''they're only human.''
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Comment by Emerald_Vamp
Vamps are 'So damn hot' because they need to seduce people so they can LIVE. No one would willingly let a Vamp suck their Blood if someone walked up to you and said 'Hey, I’m a Vamp, No Joke, but don't be scared, I only want to suck your blood and possibly drain you...hold still' No, your gonna say, 'Hell No' and hope there’s a stake handy. But if a really fit Guy/Gal kisses your neck and takes a bit of blood, you probably won't even know about it coz it will also feel Pleasurable,- as said before.
And if you're gonna mention it, the Totally Hot Werewolf in New Moon is called Jacob Black, aka Taylor Lautne
And as for you 2nd point the Tactics depend on what sort of Person you were before you were turned, of course an Ex-Army Werewolf is gonna have better Tactics than an Ex-waitress Vamp. Ect. You’re basing too much on Films...
And you said Vamps just sleep all the time so Werewolves can Plot and Whatnot, but Half the World is in Night...
You also said that Werewolves would be able to Sniff out the Vamps if they Try To Hide;
1) They're technically Dead and they won't have any blood in there system and therefore no scent- that's why they need to feed, so they don't start decomposing, or if they have fed their scent would be of the person they fed off so the Werewolf would have 2 trails to follow instead of 1.
2) They wouldn't need to hide; they are just as strong and twice as fast as Werewolves.
Also Werewolves can't just transform in 2 seconds, they undergo a huge physical transformation, including, bone structure, size, shape, extra limbs (tail), so they would be in Extreme Pain...
Also if Vamps are like Cats, and Werewolves are like Dogs, Cats are Stealthy, cleverer and faster, like Vamps. And I’m pretty sure a big ass Lion could take a Hyena or African Wild Dog...
And I agree, Vamps have More Control because Werewolves are kinda like Slaves to the Moon, but Vamps also have to control their bloodlust, but if they have been turned for quite a while they would have learned to control it...
If you haven't already Guessed, I'm on Team Vamps...:]
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But, back to the debate. I'm sorry about my earlier posts. ( Like I've said before) I was just hyped up on Monsters and the like so I said anything on my mind. A bunch of my stuff was a tad far fetched. But seriously, who has more control probably does go to the vampires . . .
Emerald Vampire, you're only thinking of the cover models. =/ You have to admit now, come on, there are a shitload of movies AND books imaging vampires are being ghoul like who can't even speak and run on all fours like a chimpanzee. And just . .dude . .everyone knows werewolves win all around, people have changed vampires so much . .they have no basics besides the oldies, which no one cares to read about. They have power of fire/ice/land/air? Wtf? People made them look like the Justice League. Then there's they can transform into hideous giant batlike beings? Woah . . .
Then there's the thing that they can change shape? So it's XMen now? Mystique? So thtere's a BUNCH of things people handicapped vampires with ,handicapped in the sense making it easier for them, not crippling. So all a person has to do is go, ''Hmm . .well, I'm going to choose this ability, and this one, oh oh and this one too.'' There's no basics. No one can pinpoint a weakness or a strength on a vampire. You can just go, well, the Twilight vampire can walk in the sun, well the Van Helsing vampire can transform into bat things. Well the -blank- vampire can use hypnosis. You see? The vampires are like the undead superman of the underworld. People have made them just perfect.
But the OLD vampires that make sense. The ones that turn into bats and stay that way? The ones that have an extremely strong urge to drink blood. Not just, ''Neh . . .I'll shag him first, then drain 'em.'' The ones that walk with their arms swung forward like a zombie, the ones that use hypnosis and can fly? That I can understand . . . not the ones that can read hearts and soul, blows fire, controls water, lifts rocks with the mind, uses air like an avatar, teleport? Those are just cinematic abilities that make the vampires look cool.
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Power and cleverness always beats power alone .......
Hey I love the wolf and in a back alley brawl where brute force is king they are probably the winner but in a war where other count as well I think they mostly lose....
Comment by ‡§µíñjødîñõáè†ý‡
But like there are vampires that can control their thirst, there's werewolves that can change when the need be. So how is being a human bad in a war? He has the cleverness and such of a vampire, no? Plus, the reason why some say werewolves can be immortal is when they morph, when they go back to human and going into a werewolf the regeneration my friends, the building of cells and such. Let's so you have . . .um . .I don't know, cancer cells in your liver or something, let's look at it from a microscopic level you notice the cell is unusually big and obtuse. You morph into a werewolf the cell is gone, he's muscular and built. Now when he goes back. Do those strong healthy cells just die? And become a cancer cell again? So that's why people think werewolves can be immortal the regeneration of cells and such would cure that's ugly liver spots and cancer cells and such. And whatever causes wrinkles, it's probably something in the dermis . . .
Comment by ‡§µíñjødîñõáè†ý‡
Equality- Alright . .this is a debating commentary . . . I truely honestly love how you're trying to equal them out with the ''We're all the same who is truely better than the other?'' ''Werewolves and vampires both have weakness and are same of the human thinking.'' Or something . .but this is about which one is better. It isn't serious, no one is on it all day getting mad. It's just for fun.
There's no need for a middle man, once again, I love how you're striving to prove both are the same and stuff but, this isn't about, ''Hey . . werewolves and vampires both have weakness, they both have strengths they're equal with just different talents.'' We don't need that on here . . if real life? Of course, Lol. It could start into a fight if their that into the arguement.
But this is just for fun. You just express who's better than the other, I'm not trying to down you like a nanny would. Lol. It's just . .at first I barely saw them, now every 10 posts or so I see the same thing in different contex. You know what I mean . . .? I hope I didn't offend anybody so don't come back with a starky remark . . because if you do . . .. <_< . .. I'll cry. ='(
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i thought vampires die in the sunlight and do sleep?
Comment by Emerald_Vamp
Don't get me wrong Werewolves are cool, and strong and everything but Vamps are just Better! Yeah Werewolves are stronger but it won't be much of an advantage if you can't catch what you're trying to punch, coz Vamps are Faster and more Agile. The Werewolves are like the Big, Dumb Muscle guy whereas Vamps are more like the Sneaky, Smart Assassin.
But Humans would win everyone coz they have no specific weaknesses like Silver or SunLight. Yeah they're weaker, with no Super-Human powers, but they are more advanced with Technology...
But Vamps are still the Best.
And ‡§µíñjødîñõáè†ý‡, Please answer, Where did I mention Powers like Earth or Air, and I did NOT mention Justice League!?!
Comment by dyer_werewcreatures
ayway bk to the debate, where should i start lol, well 1st of all vampires and werewolves r pretty much equaly, they both ave strengths and weaknesses which ave bin pointed out by various ppl,
but tbh humans r easily the best. they will just hunt vampires during the day while they sleep and vampires cannot even enter ur houses so u r pretty much untouchable,
and werewolves will be destroyed by silver everything - silver bullets, silver cars, silver cutlery, silver everything. and lets not forget there r over 6 BILLINON humans worldwide so we dont need immmortality or rapid regeneration coz we r just horny enough to stay alive and survive. Humans will survive through sheer numbers and persistance.
to simplify:
VAMPIRES = snakes (stealthy, sly and can attack in the blink of an eye)
WEREWOLVES = (obv i no but, alone they rnt very gd but in packs they r very strong and rely on teamwork aswell as strength)
HUMANS = mice/cockroaches (bad i no but there r just too many of them to ever b defeated and they will survive in the end - u no wot they say, cockroaches r one of the only things that can survive a nuclear war - humans r just 2 damn persistant and stubborn to die out)
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(ps i want to now how to make a pic by my name)
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Human what makes you think we are human ....wait its true ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ahhhhhhh
ahhhhhhhhhh ahhhhhhhhhh...quick do somethign find a gypsy or a witch ...or a really good geneticists ...ahhhhhuman ......Obviously this is all for fun...the glory of story telling isnt just to repeat information thats newswriting the glory of the story is for people to loose themselves in the words whether it is a few sentences on a blog or a 400 page novel...myth is powerful stuff even if it is a bit silly ...and I still vote for the vamps in a protracted struggle ...cold and calculating wins every time ...as I said in earlier blogs passion is not a method and the wolf is ever a slave to his passion..he is admirable because of that very thing and also vunerable because of it
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Imagination is a very good thing and when it comes to stories ...it is the object not the tool ...I write a lot at night and aftwer work when Im beat and I guess it shows sometimes ...
You see it is imagination that allows us to suspend disbelief long enough to enjoy stories about werewolves and vampires ...to lose ourselves in the story just for a little while....
vamps rule
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to add an image - avatar - to your profile, I think you need to have a blog. You have a registered name, but I don't think Orble provides you with the option for an avatar until you actually create a blog. I'll check up for you.
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I find vampires to be utterly repulsive. I can't bare to be around an old alcoholic wrecking of foulness from their pours, so imagine the smell of a blood drinking creature with the blood putrefying in their guts. Vampires have a habit of showing their "true" self transforming into a hideous demon - not attractive in the least.
Animals stay true to who they are - humans are unstable and fickle.
/Walks away to go pet best friend.
Comment by ‡§µíñjødîñõáè†ý‡
All you're doing is saying random jitter that most people look over. So all I'm doing is saying stop wasting time pulling up a good point then ruining it with, ''BUT HUMANS ARE EVERYWHERE WE'LL KILL THEM ALL'' Um . . . okay? Who here brought up that vampires/lycans would take over the world? We're just talking about a war between them, nothing else.
And this worlds isn't perfect, it's not like everyone in the world is going to just band up like we're all good friends. =/ Try talking to the thousands of African tribes and such, try and get them to listen to each other they HATE each other how are you going to get them to? That's probably a billion taken off you're 'friend list' now get North Korea, like they'll help any of you, so take over a couple million, now Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, all of them, are they serious going to help us now? Now take the fact vampires don't need human resources to survive they could all stay in Antarctica for crying out loud, what humans going to go there?
Besides on an airplane of helicopter, MAYBE, all a vampire has to do is call his Justice League brethren and take that helicopter/plane out now take the experienced instinct of a werewolf, there ARE such things as wise wolves and there's A BUNCH it's not like there's only two. All they have to do is teach the inexperienced ones, probably wolf to wolf, not to just go blood crazy, after all, how did they get wise in they first place? So what is a little as human going to do?
Lol, grab a werewolf and force him to make a finger print record? You think that will actually work? And how would he know he's a werewolf? Probably vampires would lose first, IF you're band of friends actually work together, (Which is impossible we all hate each other so much) They could use heat seekers and such, since vampires are cold blooded, they will be pointed out quicker, and plus, guys, stop thinking the US is the center of the world, we're so fucking cocky it hurts me.
There's probably hundreds of other feuds in the world we're oblivious to who knows Australia hates Scotland, Ireland hates England (Atleast near their borders), China hates Russia?? So who knows, stop thinking we're all just a bunch of goody-goody pals and are going to just form some giant fortress to kill everything, that G-7 or whatever is a POLITICIAN organization they don't ACTUALLY stand for the country itself, just because a president says, ''We're all buddies here'' He doesn't actually mean every single person in his country will cooperate. Just because America and say, Australia, or whatever are friends. People may HATE! Aussies. Get where I'm coming from? And before someone babbles to me about how this is a paradise earth and everyone will band together because it's the 'right' thing to do against evil. Lol, answer me this, what vampire/lycan will give the humans a time of die to just, 'sit down and talk about' making truce? There could be vampires hidden in the congress and shit before they attack, it's not just an obvious blunt wham to the head, vampires are immortal they have CENTURIES of experience, yet a race race that's only been here a couple hundred years is going to stop them? (Talking of America) Now someone please, counteract my demeaning label I put on humans are uncooperative, please. =) Make me wrong, then go outside and drop your wallet for a day, call me wrong, then leave your credit card in the ATM with your password on the top, call me wrong, then go to the ghetto with a purse bursting with money, call me wrong, yet be friends with someone in the KKK and invite African and Jewish friends over to their house, please, call me wrong.
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My mention of humans is the stank vamp is still human-ish, werewolf is beasty.
You long winded, pompous *#&$^% My post was in response to all the vampire lovers. And as far as that "child" remark I'm 41 years old and it would have been rather simplely ask WHO did I think would win.
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vamps have time and are not hindered by those chains ..they are more adaptable and pragmatic....and the last time anyone called me a kid mood rings were cool
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Anyway, back to main topic, you say that Humans wouldn't band together in a war, and I agree with that as Humans are Selfish and Whatever... but Niether would Rival Werewolf Packs, as they would, Instinctivly, not get along. And as for Master Vampires or whatever you would call the Boss in Charge, they would more than likely take advantage of the chaos created by the war...
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You see all those? Vampires are nothing but hundreds of different cults of all shapes and sizes just because one group of vampires decides to be the boss of his own clan be could do by rival vampires before anyone else gets to him, see what I mean? But lets just say werewolves DO have clans and different groups because you're basing this off of the animal wolves they do have diferent clans after all but if they do, the ones in each clan are extremely loyal to eachother like a wolf, right?
While a vampire is a cold hearted corpse so not only are they other vampire cults to watch out for, but now there's deceptive traitors in your own group ready to take you down if it means saving it's own skin. And don't bring the X-men into this (Twilight) or any other setting where vampires have emotional tendencies that's not real myths are made upon the Majority vote. Since there's no real facts because they're fake, the mjaority is what makes the most happy, and most people don't portray them as these heterosexual swimsuit model studs that stole to much glitter from their mum before hot vampires like Stephanies Twilight and that chick off Underworld, and Blade barely anyone thought of vampires as HOT more like undead blood gulping ghouls.
Plus werewolves have the humane side to reason with each tribe while vampires are cold and only want power probably banding up temperarily to get on top, then chop each other down so only one remains.
Comment by Emerald_Vamp
And Vampires are Human-ish coz they- in my opinion- can control their dark side to plot and betray whereas Werewolves wouldn't have full, or enough control to start plotting and Whatnot...
And I don't remember Vampires in X-Men...?
Comment by Anonymous
And what werewolf in human form can't think straight, they're perfectly logical when not transformed they could probably think of a plan. And lets just say they are uncontrollable when transformed, they could devise a plan that suits that while as a human, if you need an explanation I'll let you know. So I don't think werewolves are humans that actually have alphas. <_<
They're not complete wolves just have beastly wolf characteristics, so they don't need a leader to live like wolves do they can if they want but it isn't needed.
That's why they don't have fleas . . . which people who say they do are retarded because a werewolf doesn't get a shitload of fleas in one night or however long they choose to stay. Once they're human again they may have fleas, probably, but they're human there are things called showers. Ya'know? And if I log in with an Anonymous or a
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So, if there are Werewolves occuping the same territory-but they don't know- and they're forced to change on a full moon night, they are, lets say, trying to keep a low profile, so they run off into the woods to hunt ANIMALS, not humans. They then run into each other hunting and keeping a low profile, they would either fight, to defend their territory or Hunt together. When they turn back human, (if they Hunted together), I think it's safe to say they would stay in contact, become friends or lovers, then they would spend their full moon nights together, thus starting a Pack.
And also, if a Werewolf makes a Plan when he/she is in human form because they have NO Control when they are wolves they wouldn't remember the paln anyway and even if they did they wouldn't be able to carry it out because they would have NO Control!! Their instincs take over, Danger- fight or flee, Hungry= Hunt, Ya get ma Meaning...?
Comment by dyer_werecreatures
and u r all refferring to the werewolves which r slaves 2 the moon and have no control at all when they have changed but in some books and films werewolves change at will and stil remain 100% in control so they will still b able to carry out any plans they ave previously made
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(Setting: 6:00 p.m. in Ugliµaî Castle in
Romania [Made up I know nothing of Romania])
Ronald: Alright, we have 10 or so vampies in this hide out resting till 8:00 until then, John, Demmi, you get the C4 ready and surrounding the outside walls. At the strike of 8:00 atleast 6 C4's should be attached to each wall o the castle of all levels. Michael will be in the distance with a sniper rifle if they attempted to escape.
Michael: *Nods*
Ronald: John, since you're brother was recently bitten and can't control his lycan stage, make sure he's sedated before 7:30 p.m. or away from the moon.
John: Right.
Ronald: If they try and escape on land, I'll be ready and waiting to eat them up. (Meaning being transformed and lurking)
-Scene-
See what I mean? It was kind of cheasy because I thought of it all on the spot. But you get the idea. It's not like they make a plan and it's full proof, then the moon comes out then they act like a bunch of retarded coyotes what's the point of the plan?
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And the control all depends on your point of view I guess some people think they are slave to the moon- which I Don't, just using an example- some think they can transform at will with nothing to do with the moon. Personally I think they HAVE to change with the Full Moon but can also change at will
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To be fair I would think I would have to analyze the dark side? Which dark side? There is more than one. There is the dark side which gothic folk appreciate: death, night, moon, a lack of political correctness, eerie images etc.
Then there is darkness as in evil itself. I would think this kind of darkness is a form of chaos and or curse, not to be controlled or controlled entirely.
So for Darkness #1 I have to ask myself if vampire or werewolf in question is this kind of darkness, which would be a personality trait. Either vampire or werewolf would have to have some form of intelligence to recognize their admiration of this darkness. (Or at least I would like to believe.
Darkness #2: This is a curse IMO. In which case vampire or werewolf can either try to fight it or encourage it. Encouraging it would more than likely lead to insanity causing vampire or werewolf to lose control at some point.
With the question at hand, as much as I find vampires to be nothing more than a parasite I would say that both stand the same chances at controlling their “dark side”, for the good or bad.
It wouldn’t be fair to say that once transformed into a werewolf that the werewolf loses complete humanity – their human self, as it would also be easy to say that a vampire loses all traces of being human and becomes a demon, not fair either.
Fact is these are two mysterious and every changeable creatures. They can be wielded to do the writers or film makers bidding. Endless possibilities! Just depends on which lore suits ones fancy the best ^^
Comment by dyer_werecreatures
and i dont agree with u wen u say vampires work in packs. i believe they work in more like a pyramid scheme were there is one big ass vampire who has minions and then his minions ave minions and they ave minions and so on and wiv vampires it is always a power struggle to get to the top. but werewolves chose a alpha or leader depending on what is best for the pack.
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I think they are different breeds of evil altogether thats why they are constantly at odds
Comment by Emerald_Vamp
And- I think- that the Alpha would still have some control so they would still have their human side so it wouldn't necessarily be like a dictator ship.
Which brings me to my other point. The Army. Let me explain, If the officer in Command on a Mission in Enemy Territory ordered his Troops to do something that they didn't agree to they would still have to do it because they aren't allowed to back chat. Just like an Alpha and his/her Pack. But the Army isn't dictatorship...
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All they are doing is having a man, a commander making an order anybody anything can do that. The only thing that makes you call them a pack is their wolf like characteristics. It has nothing to do with their attitude. Just what they look like half the time.
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You keep contradicting yourself by saying they keep control but if they were in a pack they would be mindless wolves!? omg...
And, Would I call a group of Vampires a pack of Wolves? Of Course I Wouldn't! Come on RisingLeverage! You're being Stupid now...! That would be classed as a Clan or Whatever...
And, Yes the fact that they are WereWOLVES may have something to do with why they are in a Pack like WOLVES are!
And it's not Just that they're a wolf half of the time that they are in a pack! If you were a Werewolf you would want people to trust, and a safe place to Turn, and a pack would provide that for them... Not all Werewolves would go round Hunting Vampires or Whatnot!
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Tell me Emerald. And before you go '' They're Wolves'' no, if you're going with that point that go ahead, I'm not talking about stupid pathetic werewolves that Actually turn into wolves, they're stupid and I hope they die, they're not interesting. If you're recalling those kind of wolves still, they have a human concience (Don't know how to spell it.), geeze, but how does he Know he's the alpha? Why do they need an alpa? Tell me, Please! Tell me. Why?! They need a leader? They can have a leader, but the position of Alpha isn't needed, you know what an alpha is right? You do dontcha?
An alpha isn't just a leader, it's a dictator, it tells where the pack sleeps, eats, and hunts. Humans that turn into wolf like beings don't need a dictator! If you're just calling a leader an alpha then fine go ahead, he's also the Shlongala and the Umbaboop. (Made up words) Because you're treating the word alpha as just a word with no meaning besides 'leader' that's like me calling you a bitch because you're a girl. ? But a bitch is a female dog, plus an insulting term. That's the way you're treating the word alpha, you're saying just because they have a leader, a commander, that it's an alpha, but you're calling it the wrong term.
Alpha means one ruler, whole say in the matter, holds all the cards. Humans can negotiate, alphas don't. They have all say if you have something to say you need to shut up, and this isn't the army, like you stated, it Can be, but it doesn't. Meaning they can object, anyone in the group, can Object, alphas won't let people object because they're word goes no matter what. Unless they Want to be called a pack and Want to have an alpha, it isn't needed, because everyone wants to have they're thought expressed. And that goes into the ''mindless wolves'' you said I mentioned, I did say that, but your noggin' didn't understand completely what I was saying. D: Poor Emmy. I was going based on what You're Saying!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're saying they have an alpha which mean the Other Wolves!!!!!!!!! Have no Say in the matter! Gaa!! If they have an alpha then the other wovles don't have a say, Period! There's no such thing as a nice alpha. That's like saying a nice Kim Jong-ll. Ftw??? An alpha has Whole say no objection!
''You keep contradicting yourself by saying they keep control but if they were in a pack they would be mindless wolves!?'' Really? must I repeat myself? Dogs rely on Instinct!! Meaning a alpha to them is a overlord that tells them what to do!! That's why all dogs work together in a pack and make an alpha to work better! Humans or werewolf/lycans don't need an alpha! Meaning it's completely stupid and unnecessary! Alpha is a term used for leaders that lead a group that doesn't know any better! If Kim Jong-ll and all his family just died, Korea would go crazy!! You see when he died? (Or his dad) Did you See!? How the entire nation of N. Korea weeped?
''And, Would I call a group of Vampires a pack of Wolves? Of Course I Wouldn't!'' Sarcasm!! Geeze! Do you know what that is in your region of living?? Blödian . . . I said that because based on your ignorant point of view of what ''alpha'' is, you're thinking that it means a leader that just guides people, which Everything does! Vampires have leaders, why don't you call the head leader an alpha? And his followers his pack? (Sarcasm! I guess I need to state this from now on) Because you're treating the term alpha like a president. When it's a dictatorship! There's no such freaking thing as a generous alpha, he'd be kicked out in an instant they need a strong stern leader that doesn't go with what his followers said.
''That would be classed as a Clan or Whatever...'' I know . . . Obviously you're noggin' didn't get the point, ya? =(
''And, Yes the fact that they are WereWOLVES may have something to do with why they are in a Pack like WOLVES are!'' No . . .wereWolves!!! Meaning wolf like characteristics, what true blue werewolf fan loves a werewolf to be a REAL wolf?! We want them to be strong and bulky, not some puny thing that needs 4 friends to take down one kill?
Of course all vampire fans Love! The idea of a normal wolf because it's something easy to bully around, a simple 4ft tall or so beast that could be taken down with a BB gun to the head. Really? You're a very biased person, ya? How about if I said, all vampires are nothing but skunks that feed off you by smell your skin. Every vampire lover would object! But every werewolf lover would agree because it demeans the dignity a vampire possess. (That's a real type of vampire, search up ''Sorts of vampires'' on google or something)
''And it's not Just that they're a wolf half of the time that they are in a pack! If you were a Werewolf you would want people to trust, and a safe place to Turn, and a pack would provide that for them...'' Lol, wut? Um . .then humans live in a pack then ya? (Sarcasm! I gotta tell you now. =[ ) Werewolves need someone they can trust = Friends, what makes a werewolf go,
Demmi: I sure need friends, but except for being normal and having anybody I can talk to, why not go to a pack where we obey an overlord head master? That sounds like a jolly good idea!
A werewolf doesn't need to be in a freaking pack for friends . . .they can have normal ass friends like everybody else. ??? And by addressing it as a pack you mean an alpha is present, that's why I'm not calling it because werewolves don't Need an alpha!
''Not all Werewolves would go round Hunting Vampires or Whatnot!'' Yeah . . .I don't know where that came from, lol, I never said all werewolves do. ? Did I?
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and ave u eva heard of a gang? that is a human version of a pack, the same principles apply, u ave a leader/alpha/boss and the others follow by example even tho they work together they ave a authority figure leading the gang or in werewolf case - pack.
u then go on to say about vampires but the thing is, vampires dont really work in packs as they r more like parasites as they single handedly hunt and stalk a single or couple of people to drain them either killing them or allowing them to live. the only time u would c vampires working together is in a clan or 'family' sort of thing where they all 'live' together and look out for each other but the point remains, they do not hunt in groups therefore do not ave packs unlike werewolves which do and therefore ave packs.
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#1 How do u know if ur an alpha? The pack will be submissive to u, they will give u respect because u, a) over-powered the old alpha or b) given them a reason to trust u like; treating them good or protecting them from bad guys. And when someone is a werewolf and they turn into a wolf they aren't gonna be the same person they was before they turned! They're gonna have wolf instincts! Fight or Flee! Friend or Foe! ya getting ma point?? Probs not... Mr Slowpoke!
#2 Wolves don't walk on 2 legs! So if a Werewolf turns into a 'wolf' on 2 legs, he isn't a werewolf! He's a WereBeast or a WereMonster, for gods sake he may as well be the Hulk!
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#4 Alpha or Leader? There isn't really a difference!And, Who says an Alpha is a Dictator? This is where u don't understand me, okay let me try Again to explain... U say werewolves keep some control when they turn? Then why would they force the pack into doing stuff they don't want to do? Surely if he still has a human conscience he would take their opinions in the matter into consideration and take their advice! But then u say they tell them where to sleep or hunt. Yes, that ones obvious. To keep the pack safe. They can't stand around arguing about where to sleep coz then an enemy or predator would take advantage.
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#4 Alpha or Leader? There isn't really a difference!And, Who says an Alpha is a Dictator? This is where u don't understand me, okay let me try Again to explain... U say werewolves keep some control when they turn? Then why would they force the pack into doing stuff they don't want to do? Surely if he still has a human conscience he would take their opinions in the matter into consideration and take their advice! But then u say they tell them where to sleep or hunt. Yes, that ones obvious. To keep the pack safe. They can't stand around arguing about where to sleep coz then an enemy or predator would take advantage.
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Why not call a head Vamp an Alpha? OMG BECAUSE VAMPS DON'T HAVE WOLF INSTINCTS!! ONLY WOLVES HAVE ALPHAS! (As well as other animals! Obv)
#6 Werewolves wat turn into actual wolves (the real werewolves) would be able to take a kill by himself! U know, the Mass law! Nah ya probs don’t, omg, Okay, a 200 pound man = 200 pound wolf whereas a normal wolf would be 50 pounds (estimations) so it would be a really freakishly big wolf… Can I just ask, what’s wolfish about monsters that walk on 2 legs that are super strong? Wolves are strong but not super-human strong! There is nothing bad about actual wolves as werewolves! Ask another Werewolf fan who reads Werewolf books that doesn’t just watch naff movies!
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Why not call a head Vamp an Alpha? OMG BECAUSE VAMPS DON'T HAVE WOLF INSTINCTS!! ONLY WOLVES HAVE ALPHAS! (As well as other animals! Obv)
#6 Werewolves wat turn into actual wolves (the real werewolves) would be able to take a kill by himself! U know, the Mass law! Nah ya probs don’t, omg, Okay, a 200 pound man = 200 pound wolf whereas a normal wolf would be 50 pounds (estimations) so it would be a really freakishly big wolf… Can I just ask, what’s wolfish about monsters that walk on 2 legs that are super strong? Wolves are strong but not super-human strong! There is nothing bad about actual wolves as werewolves! Ask another Werewolf fan who reads Werewolf books that doesn’t just watch naff movies!
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And RisingLeveage, u probably don’t understand any of this (again wiv the dumb sick *rolls eyes*) But WatEver I am passed caring since u are being Childish and Insulting, because someone is giving u back chat!
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And RisingLeveage, u probably don’t understand any of this (again wiv the dumb sick *rolls eyes*) But WatEver I am passed caring since u are being Childish and Insulting, because someone is giving u back chat!
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And RisingLeveage, u probably don’t understand any of this (again wiv the dumb sick *rolls eyes*) But WatEver I am passed caring since u are being Childish and Insulting, because someone is giving u back chat!
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And, I was doing the same thing, this discussion is going nowhere I didn't agree with any of that. Lol, Plus me and you are thinking of two different types of werewolves so, you're not really paying attention to what I say but except you automatically place it as wrong. (On phone again so I'm Anonymous)
And I . . . Kind of didn't read all of your posts. :[ Sorry for your effort, I read the first 3 and last one. And Dye Werecreatures, dude, what the shit for the love of Allah, IT WAS SARCASM!! Geeze, I never really MEAN'T vampires were in packs, SARCASM. Lol.
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I just had to say that, it was bothering me. Now for my comment:
I think vampires are little priks! ( I don't care if I spelled that wrong ) It seems like they can't take a punch. Werewolves heal fast so they are more durable which makes them harder to shake off! I think if you had a knife or a gun the vampire would be running away from you, whereas the wolf would still be chasing you. SOOOOOOO.....
WEREWOLVES
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I'd rather have a young and fresh, even sometimes ripe smelling Wolf than a dust farting Vampy anyday. Wereolves are more alive and they don't have that ultra-artificial bleach embalming smell!!!! Werewolves blend in more i would think. Werewolves at least can blush without looking like crayons. With Vampys it is so noticable.
I LOVE WEREWOLVES!!!
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werewolves arent exactly imortal but age diffenrently i mean longer than us humans
they take time so for example there may be a werewolf who looks 25 when actually hes 65 you get what im saying........
well actually its the same with vampires...LOL
but werewolve can die though but so can vampires
for e.g
WEREWOLVES:Can Die from Silver Bullets or anything made out of sliver (the only weakness i can think of)
VAMPIRES
Garlic
Holy Water
Wodden Stakes
So with this debate on who whos better:WEREWOLVES ALL THE WAY
i mean yeah vampires are extra hot but come on
werewolves have those musculine bodies that any lady would die for and vampires are like all skinny cos all they eat is blood (no nutrition man)...LOL
BUT YEAH WEREWOLVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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werewolves arent buff when i meant buff
i was talking when they were human not when they
were in thier wolf form. and one werewolf could probably take on on 12 vampires at once.
you see i imagine werewolves standing on two feet
not like tohse werewolves were they are actual wolves if any of yous seen Van Helsing in the end Van Helsing turns into a black werewolf dats like HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (dats wat i call a Werewolf)
and those ones in underwolrd are just damn ugly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ahhhh who cares they still rule see i was always was
a werewolf fan when i was a kid.
growing up watching Big Wolf On Campus...lol
(im only 15 hahahahahahaha) but yea werewolves
i read some comments that said that werewolves dont have control over thier darkside when in fact some of them do i mean yeah they are evil but 45% ar usually good.so anyhoes anyone know any good werewolf books dat i could read (besides Twilight)
did u kno i searched some books on the web
and to my surprise most of the books on werewolves
the main character girl
if any of you know a good book about a guy werewolve please tell meh
(im a guy who doesnt really like reading about romance)
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the only thing that defines them from humans, are powered up stregth and nigth vision, maybe some special charming abilities, transforming into a bat too.
k now werewolves:
there are many types, but the true werewolves from the ancient legends are first transformed by being bitten form wild wolves, with age, they gain full control of themselves,so theyre basically a human with now a body with a power level of OVER 9000!!!!!( lol sorry about that) theyre immortal, well just tell me about a W/wolf that died from old age. and they can perfectly hunt wild animals and survive in the wild, ancient werewolves, are also sage persons so dont think u can trick them into stupid setups, they are the ultimate figthing machines i dont think vampires can hope to match a mature werewolf on a fair figth.
Talking about scary
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vampires are a putiful equse for a night walker.
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I used to be a Vamp fan but I like Werewolves more now but ya never know what they're really gonna be like until ya meet one, do ya??
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so defensively the vampires have the upper hand and offensively the werewolves have the upper hand but i think the vamp edges it due to 2 facts. 1 i wouldnt want to piss off a vampire and have to wait 25 days to change into something that could hurt him. 2 vamps are highly intelligent and would round up the werewolf like us humans do sheep they would work together and use force of numbers and tactics to take the big bad wolf down.
and lets face it vampires are the evolution of humanity so who wouldnt want ot be a vampire
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The vampire and werwolf legend as it is shown in modern cinema is more modern and Eurocentric and if you go by those versions vampires are nearly demigods and werewolves just superpowered carnivours
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For one...werewolves can chamge willingly even during the day light,they can choose their victims....
Seperatly vampires are not as seductive as they seem...the real vampires or the original vampires were disgusting creatures that stink of death
When it comes to fighting...we are pretty much matched I mean face it... Werewolves are smell Vampires a mile away but Vampires can fly.... Werewolves have greater control over this curse that most believe....
And that whole full moon thing...it turns out Full moons are the only times mortals can see the werewolves due to the magnetic abilities the moon has over the human body...
The concept of being a lycan is all about unleashing the beast within.... Its beautiful...besides werewolves cannot die with a #2 pencil.
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For one...werewolves can chamge willingly even during the day light,they can choose their victims....
Seperatly vampires are not as seductive as they seem...the real vampires or the original vampires were disgusting creatures that stink of death
When it comes to fighting...we are pretty much matched I mean face it... Werewolves are smell Vampires a mile away but Vampires can fly.... Werewolves have greater control over this curse that most believe....
And that whole full moon thing...it turns out Full moons are the only times mortals can see the werewolves due to the magnetic abilities the moon has over the human body...
The concept of being a lycan is all about unleashing the beast within.... Its beautiful...besides werewolves cannot die with a #2 pencil.
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For one...werewolves can chamge willingly even during the day light,they can choose their victims....
Seperatly vampires are not as seductive as they seem...the real vampires or the original vampires were disgusting creatures that stink of death
When it comes to fighting...we are pretty much matched I mean face it... Werewolves are smell Vampires a mile away but Vampires can fly.... Werewolves have greater control over this curse that most believe....
And that whole full moon thing...it turns out Full moons are the only times mortals can see the werewolves due to the magnetic abilities the moon has over the human body...
The concept of being a lycan is all about unleashing the beast within.... Its beautiful...besides werewolves cannot die with a #2 pencil.
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Area from/nationality: India. Normally created due to the violent death of an individual. The Bhuta are found in cemeteries or in dark desolate places, eating excrement or intestines. An attack by one of these creatures usually resulted in severe sickness or death.
Area from/nationality: India. A vengeful ghostlike vampire, normally a woman that died while pregnant during the Dewali Festival. She is said to hate life with her greatest spite being kept for her relatives. The Churel is said to be vile in appearance, possessing pendant breasts, thick ugly lips, a black tongue and unkempt hair. look up the a-z of vampyre mythology and youll see
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First sources that you like and that are credible. Two credible sources is the rule but three is better. Two stick to a simple thesis ie werewolves are strong but vamps are cool and tricky etc etc...A good formula is too explain both sides and then state what you believe and why...werewolf fans say this bit vamps fans say this I believe...so and so...Incidently there is nothing wrong with calling at a tie or calling the argument inclusive if you make your argument
alternatively you can
1) compare and contrast thewerewolves in medieval folklore and the modern concept of both.
2) write it like straight forward newstory. Interview "experts" on the subject and report what they tell you
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he wouldnt let the mangey mutt get close enough to him to do that. vamps would simply keep moving stay out of the way wait for an opening then slice of the mutts head with a silver sword ( if we are talking original vamps ) or shoot him full of silver bullet holes ( if were talking hollywood
simples
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Werewolves may not be 'immortal', but they have incredible healing abilites, formidable enough to keep the vampire's immortality at check. And it is also said that werewolves have a lifetime equivalent to countless human lifetimes, making its againg process much slower, and a werewolf could be considered 'immortal' in the eyes of humans.
Might I also add that werewolf bites kill the vampire, same as the use that the vampire has of pure silver to kill the werwolf?
Which will win, a vampire or a Werewolf? That will be a question of skill, time, and place, because it terms of ability, both of them are equally as powerful.
As for the control of one's darkside, it is all a matter of the point of view. A Vapire may be conscious of himself all the time, but he/she has that constant thirst for blood. This thirst of blood could lead to the vampire to look for the nearest source of blood, preferably human blood. this thirst could be so intense that it could make the vampire lose control of him/herself and attack anyone near them, whethor they are closely related to them or not. This usually would happen around the early stages of their becoming a vampire. Based on his/her personality, they would go about this thrist for blood. They have the choice of being a predator who chooses their victims and uses their seductve abilities to charm them, gain their trust, and utterly, in the human's eye's, betray them and feed on their blood. Another option, much more considerate of others, would be to food on blood banks to avoid the method of deception. This is based on how they are willing to go through life. One who is more selfish, and has more of a lean on to dark deeds and sentiments would turn to using deception and praying on selexct victims. Other who don't want that, and care for others would go to other alternatives to quench their thrist. Thier control over their darkside depends on their personality and their will power as to what they will do to quench their thrist. (Sorry if 'will power' sounds cliche) (EX. 'Interview with a Vampire' in which the protagonist avoids sucking the blood of humans by preying on other animals such as rats, pigs and cows. EX. #2: "Underworld" the use of blood banks)
As for werwolves, once they are aware of whether they can tranform at will or tranform at mercy to the moon, then it can be determined whether or not they are in control of their darkside. If they transform at will, then they are much more in control, and then it will depend on the personality they have in their human form. If they are tranformed by the moon against their will, then they aren't entirely in control until they are aware of their tranformation experiences. Once they are aware, they can either accapet and prowl the night freely to prey on people for flesh, or they can take the easures necesary to stop themselves from harming the people around them, especially the people they care about, knowing tha they might not be entirely in control of who they might attack while they are transformed.Werewolves who transform at will have no excuse for attacking people, becuase they are well aware of tranforming and may very well be aware of what they are doing when they are transformed. When they are transformed by the moon, they can't be blamed for their animalistic fury during tranformation until they come to be aware and control what they do as they are transformed, and this awareness may take time, or it might not happen at all.
Both night creatures are utterly the same amount of control of their darkside, I think. They have very different abilities, but the nut shell of their abilities for combat are utterly the same: superior speed, strenght, and senses. The triumph of one over the other, whether in combat or in control, depends of the specific vampire or werewolf.
As for which would I rather be? I'd be a werewolf. Whethor I be a werewolf or a vapire will be harsh in its beginnings because I lose control as a transformed werewolf, or a vapire almost mindlessly searching for blood. I wouldn't want to be a vampire in early stages, especially if Im around my girls friend when that happens, because my thrist for blood would make me want to go and suck her blood, and that could kill her, and I don't wnat that to happen to her, and I don't know if I would be able to control myself. As a werewolf in early stages, i wouldn't wnat to be in early stages around my girlfriend either, but at least I would try to tell her to run away as fast as possible, and I would try to run away from her, meanwhile I still have some bit left of who I am and what I'm doing, before I transform completely. Once Im aware of my transformations, I would take the necessary measures to keep my transformed self from harming those close to me. I would be aware of when it would be the night of the full moon, and make a huge note of that to lock myself into a room far from others, and chain myself if I have to, whic I probably will, in order to stop myself from harming others until I can be aware and control myself in my tranformed state. If I ended up being a werewolf that can transform at will, I have no problem, because I would then have complete control of my actions, and know when and where I would have/want to transform, like if I ever end up in a sticky situation with a foul werewolf or a vampire.
It is all on a matter of taste. I prefere werewolf, because I value and honesty, and I actually am a very honest person myself, and I hate betrayal, whether I be betrayed or I betray someone. I want to go about my day to day life, and actually have a day-life; be able to look at the sun and only feel the warmth that any other human would, and not have to make excuses for only making dates at 10 o'clock at night, unless it's winter. I would also wnat to die of old age, personally immortality isn't all that it's cracked up to be for me, because it would give me no reason to want to live every moment like it's my last. I prefere to know that I could die, and live my life well, then to live an eternal life without life. I also don't wnat to be undead, I prefere an extended life, thank you very much.
It all depends on the one to become, whethor they prefere to become vampire or werewolf. I personally prefere werewolf, and I have already stated my reasons why.
PS. I know there will be counter arguments about the curse of the werewolf, and lack of education, so I say this: I am educated, and the curse will be one that I can live with.
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Witches and Warlocks are best.
A few herbs and a chant or 2 and those werwolves become pets prowling the homestead and keeping the pesky peasants with pitchforks away.
A leach comes along and said vamp leach is instant zombie slave cleaning my toilets. Vamps as the undead are super vulnerable to those who can snatch your soul and put it in a bottle. Especialy if we are talking a voodoo queen. vamps become her living furniture = chair foot stool etc
Immortality\? All the best witches and warlocks get that from a bit of soul sucking and can go out in sunlight
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I'm not a full fledged historian and mythology master, but if I remember correctly, most legends/myths about vamps state they are possesed by a devil. If that's the case, by definition, there is no control of a dark side, there is only dark side. Now if you take some of the newer books and movies, the magic is removed and vampirism becomes more of a medical condtion than a curse. In that case they would be as evil as the person they were/are.
Werewolves. They also are cursed, but from accounts I've read, no more than the condition they find themselves in. Meaning, they find themselves controlled by their animal form, acting like an actual wolf with all the natural instincts and peculiarities relevant to a wolf. Now, consider that medival groups consider all wolves vicious animals, we see a definite evil shadow placed over them. If we look at how wolves are regarded today, we see a much more positive and noble slant. So while the werewolf has to fight the urges of a wild predator, he is no more evil than any other predator trying to survive.
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I think that VAMPIRES r way cooler because they are undead blood sucking creatures of the night. There teeth are long and pointy and are the ultimate killing machine. I no that i would rather come across a vampire in the street then a werewolf and be ripped to shreads...
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U r wayyyy wrong, Werewolves have sharp teeth and they are also creatures of the night they can hunt during the day but its eaiser to do it at night, lets see a Vampire hunt during the DAY! Ha i pity u, you will lose this debate and u know it!
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Ainsls and Em[ILY] ... where'd you two spring from?! LOL
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so who honestly believes a vampire (dead human) could take on a brutal werewolf even with out all the vampires weaknesses its up against a giant wolf ffs
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1. beheading
2. fire
3. Inability to Enter a Dwelling without Being First Invited In.
4. Inability to Cross Water.
5. Coma during day time.
6. Inability to Withstand the Direct Rays of the Sun.
7. Dependence upon the Soil of their Land of Birth for Rest
8. Vulnerable to Atoprophic Objects.
9. Repulsion to holy ground.
10. Vampires cannot cross a thicket of wild rose or a line of salt.
11. Vampires are compelled to stop and count every grain in a pile of grain or numerous objects (often grain) thrown into their path.
12. long periods without blood can affect higher brain functions and cause general weakness
13 Garlic can act as a vampire repellant.
you cant pick and choose with this many weakneses speed and strength mean nothing but ofcourse alot of vampire fans will find some of those listed as being ridiculous and ill be considered one dimensional but heres my point i have my own view on vampires and so does everyone else you cant really tell what a vampire is because the idea of vampires keeps changing due to movies,books,comics,tv etc The concept of civillised vampires was non existent until : The Vampyre(book) by John Polidori was released in the 18th century .Vampires in many cultures were considered to be just evil spirits who would prey on there neighbours or family members whose to say there wrong and your right.
Werewolf mythology on the other hand has remained practically untouched except for wether its a pact with the devil,curse,or a bite that turns you into one or if the full moon effects them or not
man wolf=werewolf what you see is what you get i know vamp fans will find this stupid but i dont really care ill envision vamps the way i wanna (zombie like) just like everyone else
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vampire mythology is a mess and all over the place
werewolves is where the actions at
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is a man, a woman, or a child. Now all you vampire lovers.... If you even THINK about bringing up Twilight, I have done my research about that as well... First off, the vampires sparkle. SPARKLE. You know, like in a gay club. Number two, they don't have fangs. Number three, although the Cullens have a thing for humanity, they besides one other coven are the only ones that drink animal blood. And they WANT to drink human blood anyway. The werewolves from Twilight only really have one weakness, and that it their temper. But, hey, doesn't our temper get to us all? Anyhow, the book is extremely unaccurate, and the movie has terrible acting. I literally left the theatre mid-movie. I was EXREMELY angered by the response to "above moron", who isn't a moron at all.
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Werewolves are punks don't really give a crap hangin out with his mates on a full moon howl at it and tear shit up... Awesome!
Everytime I wake up on a Monday and try to recap on what happened on the weekend and can't remember, I know I must've had fun.
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second of all Im 47 I have no idea what emos are but werewolves seem more like what we used to call goat ropers or shitkickers...Backwoods red necks who live in the woods and run meth labs in between learning to spell their names and marrying their cousins....werewolves may only change forcible once a month but they are still dogs and dogs that run wild usually get taken to the pound and put down....Think about it a six foot tall man dog running around the city is going to draw attention and be killed ...A certain amount of discretion is smart
Incidentally werewolves can be killed with a silver handle cane how lame is that
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If you acknowledge that there is no scientific evidence to use to debate the pros and cons of vampire vs werewolf, you all win on who's more awesome. It all comes down to the book/movie/poem/comic you've read and whether you want fur or wings.
Now if you go off of the most pervasive points of the legends, those details that seem to be common from culture to culture, people feared vampires much more than they feared werewolves. The werewolf was always a living thing you could fight, even if it was bigger and stronger than the average man.
The living undead, now that's something you got to worry about. You need something special to counter that. How do you kill something that's already dead?
Reference was made to the origin of the vamp legend. It was based on some natural phenomenom as far as we are able to tell. In the past, when a corpse would get unburried, they would see that the dead persons hair and nails seemed to have continued growing. They also found some coffins with claw scratches on the lid. The nails and hair is normal, your body does keep working, even if your officially dead. THe scratches, however, turned out to be people prematurely burried. This problem actally led to a wire being run down to the coffin of a newly burried person. the wire was attached to a bell and one villager would stand watch over the night to listen for the bell. THis practice actually is the source of the term "midnight shift".
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therefor his abillities like turning in to a bat,mist,or wolf appear to come from necromancy not vampirism
any way to the topic at hand
Vampires are more incontrol of there darksides unlike werewolves they know exactly what there doing and this leads me to believe there the more cunning and evil of the two monsters sure you can say they need to kill to live but thats like giving a poor guy an excuse for killing someone for money because hes hungry
werewolves on the other hand are like a mentally insane person who well and truly cant help them selves who's more likely to get out of a jail sentence the hungry guy or the mentally ill dude?
And to the arguement of who would win in a fight theres no doubt in my mind its the big bad wolf and my reasons are
1.they only have 1 weakness silver (pure silver)
2.vampires have many there for making there powers and this discussion pointless
Im sorry i just dont see how that was even up for debate i cant help but feel that most vampire fans like to state a vampires powers but refuse to acknoledge there many down falls. in conclusion......
.VAMPIRES LIKE TO HANG OUT WITH THERE FANG OUT
WHILE WEREWOLVES LIKE TO ROCK OUT WITH THERE COCK OUT
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people get the pictures wrong, the werewolf is more wolf, less human, in the pic the arms and legs are too long and our eyes ARENT RED for those who think we are all evil. I dont enjoy hunting much- I tend to stick to the woods, overlook the frightening bits and we're kinda like puppys. I dont need the moon to "transform" actually I think thats a myth and im NOT cursed, i havent "changed" anyone so im not sure how that works. yes when I "change" I can think and act on my own thoughts and I dont go out "changed" in the sun, how do you walk around in the open while your a wolf!? "oh hi there" "woof" "how are you?" "woof woof growl" .If you have any questions feel free to ask me, i wont bite
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Fast forward to modern times. St. Paul, MN. Como Zoo. Year 1999. A man, who was from the hills of Laos, went to visit Como Zoo. When he got to the tiger, he mocked it. Thinking that now is modern times and on a different land, he felt safe. He said, "Chusa, you were once feared among all the people, now look at you. They put you in a cage and you look pathetic. You are nothing now." That very night he had a dream. Chusa came to him in the dream and said, "You wish to challenge me. I will wait for you. Come follow the river to the bridge(He meant somewhere in Hastings, MN). Cross the river and go over two hills. There I will wait for you." The very next day, the man fell sick. He then had all sorts of rituals performed to change his name. So that Chusa could no longer locate him.
Chusa is the closest English translation of the name. It isn't right on the money. Although the name isn't totally correct, recite the name only at your own risk. Especially do not recite it in front of tigers or lions or any animal.
Undead and Chusa don't fight by the way. They follow and serve Chusa. They get to share in the feast.
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and vampires are in more control of there darkside
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and vampires are in more control of there darkside
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werwollves have a healing ability that makes then heal fast and this stops them from aging and keeping them young
vampires are the undead they have to drink blood as it is like the fountain of youth keeps you alive forever. plus when they change form human to vampire there bodies sort of like change to stone, they go rock hard this stops them from aging like normal people.
to me i would much rather be a werewolf / lycan
vampires i dont like
you would have to drink blood in order to live
werewolf you could have a normal life or as normal as you can get atleast lolYour text goes here
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WEREWOLVES FOREVER
besides, immature as it may be, i still hold firm to the belief that vampires are gay. (that's a bad thing)
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VAMPIRES ARE NOTHING BUT PERVERTED PEDOPHILIC STALKERS WHO SPARKLE IN THE SUNLIGHT!.........wait....... ..oops i guees my anti-twilight side got me there for a second sorry ^-^'.......the werewolves in twilight suck to......
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but they still being better than any kind of vampire
WEREWOLVES FOREVER
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( Werewolves which change under the full moon) he also points out that jacob and his brothers are actually Shape shifters than pure werewolves so that might be the reason jacob and they other wolfs seem to be in control of themselves while still human or when in wolf form. How ever the moon children have no control in their wolf forms. unlike the shape shifters they don't remember any thing that happed while in wolf form, they would kill their family or best friend if they were hungry or simpley because they can't ell the difference between friend or foe. the Volturi say that they are stong and fast but more Dangerous because of that reason and because Gaius almost lost a fight with one, so the volturi start to hunt down and kill them of one by one. However it is unclear wheater the moon children would be in control over themselves if they formed pack or had a Alpha in charge of them keeping them in line, like sam or jacobs packs they work as a team and follow the leaders command with out question or else a jacob said nothing would get done otherwise. Now on to Vampires in twilight as with the werewolves there are two different types of Vampires like Edward and Carlisle and the rest of the cullens that don't drink the blood of humans they hunt and live of animals instead and are happy with their lifestlye chose. And then there are vampires that hunt humans like Laurent, James & Victoria and the Volturi among a few. However in the 3 & 4 twilight books the cullens say that Newborn Vampires are the worst of them all and can't control their hunger and are more powerful than any other vampire for the 1st year of the newborn life. But when Edward turns Bella later on in book 4 it show that maybe some of the fears about newborn vampire maybe was an overreactment when bella starts to show unnatural selfcontrol, like when she hunting and catch's the sent of humans she stuns edward by breaking off mid hunt to get away from the smell of human, never seen in the vampire world and even jasper is shocked when edward tell's is family about, and bring up alot of questions that jasper had never continplated before bella. really the are myth but maybe both have a great control over their drak side maybe some don't choose to be. but I like Werewolves so I'll go with them all the may.
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anyway screw emo vampires werewolves kickass
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Looking through the histories of Vampire and Werewolf, I cannot understand why werewolves would be subservient to the damn bloodsuckers, as THEY have to at the very least hide during the day, and rely on the Lycans to protect them... I think Werewolves need to wise up, drive a stake through the masters heart whilst he is asleep, and then go out and live for the moment, silver bullets be damned...
We always see vampire familiars in the movies, why never the other way around? Damned if I wouldn't be one for the Lycans.
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warlocks are big on classicial ,,,slayers tend to like chick music go figure and demons seem to like chants set ro Jazz and blues......The demaon done took my soul..and my woman too...the bitch took all the money and got none to opay the rent ...and the landlords a prechers ,.,,,mean SOB I said the landlord a preacher....he ah mean sob....just going to get a bott;le in the back cabiney dsop I can watch it in a haze ...yeah bababy
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On the other side werewolves are not cursed people, they were people that live isolated away from the city and formed bonds with the wilderness and were granted a blessing particulary from wolves, so they could become part of the pack.But the church viewed them as cursed beasts and so they were they known for.
Now for the power battle:
Vamps have the increased intelligence as well some physical attributes even some mystical powers,but their accepted weaknesses are many, sunlight, sacred places, stakes..... and with that tiny undead body their physycal power cannot be increased far beyond their former human limits.
Were's have massively increased physical attributes, high speed, ridiculous muscle strength, hardened skin, durable body and massive regeneration. Their accepted weaknesses are silver (slows regen) and, well their beastly behaviour is present only when recently transformed into a werewolf, they easily learn to control themselves over time.
I would say that 1 vs 1 vamps are toys for ww's but vamps would be able to trap and even use the local populace against the lonely and beastly looking ww.
My vote is for werewolves.
well, after all i like the wild part about werewolves
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ok Anonymous. im not allowed to chose my own mate. the alphas adopted me they found the alpha female couldnt bear children so, they chose me, im to marry stefan(our hunting leaders) son. the children are born as human and looked after till they can make the change. we are not allowed to mate with humans as that creates a half-breed, very dangerous to the pure blood of us werewolfs, and anyone found doing so will be killed along with the human. oh and December 31st Anonymous. do you really want me to hunt you down? we are more than fleabags and i have pet rats (which i have no intention of EATING) if you want i could stop that track of thought by eating YOU!*growls* oh and if anyone wants to know i can post about the different 'jobs/breeds' so to speak of the wolves. i'm a tracker so dont mess with me or my mates.
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'On the other side werewolves are not cursed people, they were people that live isolated away from the city and formed bonds with the wilderness and were granted a blessing particulary from wolves, so they could become part of the pack.But the church viewed them as cursed beasts and so they were they known for.' Thankyou for clearing that up. IM NOT A FREAKING CURSED BEAST! thankyou
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Native American mythology is quite interesting as the metamorphosis is not only viewed as curse but as a way to get closer to Nature and one’s totemic animal. This method would also probably include those who gain such a spirit through meditation or dreams. This is the source for many "spiritual werewolves. Shamanic rituals are often complicated and secret depending on the tribes’ own beliefs. It and can also be apply to other animals.
Popular shapeshifting creatures in folklore are werewolves and vampires (mostly of European, Canadian, and Native American/early American origin), the fox spirits East Asia (including the Japanese kitsune), and the gods, goddesses, and demons of numerous mythologies, such as the Norse Loki or the Greek Proteus. It was also common for deities to transform mortals into animals and plants.
Although shapeshifting to the form of a wolf is specifically known as lycanthropy, and such creatures who undergo such change are called lycanthropes, those terms have also been used to describe any human-animal transformations and the creatures who undergo them. Therianthropy is the more general term for human-animal shifts, but it is rarely used in that capacity.
Other terms for shapeshifters include metamorph, skin-walker, mimic, and therianthrope. The prefix "were-," coming from the Old English word for "man" (masculine rather than generic), is also used to designate shapeshifters; despite its root, it is used to indicate female shapeshifters as well.
Almost every culture around the world has some type of transformation myth, and almost every commonly found animal (and some not-so-common ones) probably has a shapeshifting myth attached to them. Usually, the animal involved in the transformation is indigenous to or prevalent in the area from which the story derives. It is worthy to note that while the popular idea of a shapeshifter is of a human being who turns into something else, there are numerous stories about animals that can transform themselves as well.
In Native American and Norse legend, a skin-walker is a person with the supernatural ability to turn into any animal he or she desires. Similar creatures can be found in numerous cultures' lores all over the world, closely related to beliefs in werewolves (also known as lycanthropes) and other "were" creatures (which can be described as therianthropes). The Mohawk Indian word "limikkin" is sometimes used to describe all skin-walkers. It is also known as the Yenaldooshi.
SN SHIFTERS ”Okay, let’s get something straight. It’s not a mandroid. It’s a shapeshifter.” The shape shifters of the supernatural universe are a breed of their own. The “SN Shifter” is a shape shifter capable of transforming itself into anyone, taking on one’s physical appearance and vocal patterns. . "It generates it’s own skin. It can shape it to match someone else’s features… you know, tall, short, or male.” These shape shifters are also capable of taking on the memories of the body it shifts into, in a process that resembles the Vulcan Mind-Meld. In order for the shape shifter to shift from one person to the next it has to go through a painful process of shedding its own skin. The person that it shifts into can be alive or dead, there is no preference. "Kills them. Doesn’t kill them. I don’t think it really matters.” Sometimes the shifter takes its victim to their underground lair such as the sewer systems. “They like to layer-up underground. Preferably the sewers.” The only way to easily detect a shape shifter is by its laser eyes that appear off of a camera feed. "Same retinal reaction to video… eyes flare at the camera.” "It’s human, more or less… has human drives. In this case, it’s money.” Thus far, most shape shifters that have appeared have turned to a life of crime whether it be murdering young women or robbing banks to attain money. “This thing was born different, hideous and hated; until he learned to become someone else.” "You remember the old werewolf stories? Pretty much came from these guys. Silver’s the only thing that kills em’.” The Winchesters ran into their first shape shifter in St. Louis. This shape shifter even dared to kidnap the Winchesters and tried to take over Dean’s life! Eventually the Winchesters escaped and killed the shape shifter once and for all. “Clearing” Dean from all charges due to his otherwise apparent “death.” The Winchester’s recently ran into another shape shifter in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. This shifter was robbing banks to attain money, serving its own greedy needs. Due to this encounter, the feds now know that Dean is still alive and like all real life hunters before him, he is about to face off against the law! SHAPESHIFTING
Shapeshifting, also known as transformation and transmogrification, is a change in the form or shape of a person, especially a change from human form to animal form or a change in appearance from one person to another. “Every culture in the world has a shapeshifter lore- legends of creatures who can transform themselves into animals or other men.” Usually, the animal involved in the transformation is indigenous to or prevalent in the area from which the story derives. It is worthy to note that while the popular idea of a shapeshifter is of a human being who turns into something else, there are numerous myths about animals that can transform themselves as well.
Being called by the wolf spirit.
Having a vision of the wolf spirit on a dream-quest
Having a Dreaming that one is a wolf or running with wolves
Performing a ritual taught by one's animal spirit
Being cursed by a shaman
Performing a ritual invoking the wolf spirit.
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If you do your research on people who claim (and I'm only saying "claim"here) and teach others, they say they turn into a full wolf- not like the movies.
They don't say how terrible it is. In fact, they say they can change whenever they want, and they love being a wolf. Granted, some change in their sleep. That's when they lose control.
But, this is rare. Ya hear me vampies?! RARE!
The moon can help a wolf change. This means they are
more likely (though not definitely) if they change at all, it will be a fuller/full moon.
yes, the vampires are courteous. But why is this?
Let's examine the facts.
Vampires are courteous so they can suck your blood and curse you. I hate to be referring to twilight, but, when Bella gets the gash on her arm and, sure enough, Jasper loses control and tries to kill her! Frankly, I don't blame him. But, still, the point stands. This happens in a lot of other vampire books- happy vampire, in control, la la la la la la, OH UNHOLY,BLOOD! (sfx: Sluuuurp!) Bye bye human person!
And they are not immortal. If they can be killed, then they aren't immortal are they? And traditionally, stick a stake through a vampie's heart and it's dead. And the SUNLIGHT! Vampire walks out on a lovely day. * poof!* Vampire dead.
Sorry to bore you all, but to me werewolves have the more control. Plus they are safer to be around (when it's not the full moon)
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I'm λύκος the adopted daughter of λύκος ;κορί` 4;σι and λυκάν ;θρωπ_ 9;ς heir to the throne and promised to stefan the leader of the hunt.
yes it sounds formal but its easyer to say when you're a wolf
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oh well ill say it in english
hmmm... Wolfchild what pack do you belong to?
I'm Wolf the adopted daughter of Wolf-woman and Wolf-man (uh this sounds way better in greek
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They follow many of the same patterns as mosquitoes, leeches, fleas... other parasitic and pestering life forms. You say they're attractive? Sure, if you think that those I listed above are hot. They're worth nothing but swats and slaps, I wouldn't want one of those around me.
Werewolves, in many cases, have the ability to control their transformations. In others, they don't, but one thing's for sure: Place a scrawny little vampire and an 8-foot tall beast in a pen together, well... My money's on the wolf.
As for who has more control, I'd go with the werewolf. They're not mindless, by saying that you'd be claiming that all canines have no train of thought. Look at wolves; do they only kill? No. Werewolves don't only kill either, the reason that they do on the shows and such is because they are hungry. Hell, wouldn't you be if you just went through the most incredible pain imaginable AND had to go through the night without even a snack?
My point exactly.
Werewolves will always win. Always.
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I have done a fair amount of readiong into werwolves, the history and mythology. Ancient folklore states the habits and cyclic nature of lycans (from the greek meaning wolf-like) there arguments for both lycans and vamps are very very good, my gf is a big vamp fan where as i like both i do prefer werewolves......if you look at the nature of both werewolves and serial killers, they run similar paths, sjhowing the posibility of possible more human attributes to a ‘turned’ werewolf. Many supposed eyes witness records of when the folklore started, mentioned a wolf like creature killing and mutilatinjg in similar fashion to a hunting wolf. Many warriors of the time dressed in a wolf skin complete with head believing it to give them the power of battle of a wolf, many also fashioned the wolf’s canine teeth to fit over thier own giving them a ‘bite’ as a weapon for close combat. So effectively the warriors became more bestial and seriel killer like hence becoming more evil by nature. I think that werewolves have more control over changing than folklore leads us to believe, allowing them to change at will and when they have the urge to kill....... vampires on the oher hand being similat in urges can only change during night, altho there are folklore of some vampires being ‘daywalkers’ making them as fearsome as the changing at will werewolves.in estonia in the 14th century the is a story of a farmer, i cant remember his name, falling from a cart and breaking his neck, killing him instantly, in the years following his death and until his internment and cremation, 17 villagers were murdered but what witnesses say was the farmer, who proceeded to feast off the bodies, the vampire legacy is hence born... In essence both werewolves and vampires within folklore come from humans being witnessed protaying non human habits, canibalism in the vampires and wolf like hunting and behavior in the were wolves, so as i still support werewolves more i say werewolf = more evil . in fairness they are both as evil and fearsome as eachother...... i think the jury may well be out.......
Oh and for films, dog soldiers rocks for the werewolves and lost boys for the vampires!!!
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And BTW what's your p-shifting method? I haven't changed yet...but far beyond the point of no return....
Good hunting to you
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can anybody here actually speak english?
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can anybody here actually speak english?
Isanybody over 14?
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Well, like me, haha.
So.
Who's more evil? Vampires, for they're conscious of their actions fully. Though lycanthrope do too, it's with a bestial instinct and mind state, thus survival and such kick in before anything else.
As for who I like better, Werewolves all the way!
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vampires rule ....
it was the year 1974 a year of leisue suits (I have photos to prove it ) fondue pots, bell bottoms and perms for guys ...you'll never see that photo if I can help it
vampires yeah baby vamps
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Go to omegle.com or something if you wanna chat with randoms. stop spamming this page.
(werewolves ftw)
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1 vampire and a 1 werewolve
to a fight to the death
vampire can dodge easier but werevolves r bigger stronger
faster
morwe ferocious
it has to be the warewolve
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Generally Vampires have better control, that is up to the point that they become thirsty and just absolutely lose it.
Werewolves, once again it depends on the movie, tend to have a full month of sanity and that single night of tearing loose and pretty much killing everything in sight. Other movies suggest that a werewolf can turn at will (lycanthrope, or some other sub-species) which would mean that they can control themselves during their bestial form.
My vote goes out to the werewolves, not only are they better at their "job" but they look absolutely terrifying. Besides, they only hunt once a month and kill maybe 4 or 5 people, whereas vampires are stuck in that state for all time (til death) and kill a few every night bringing the death toll to much higher sum.
My very own personal opinion, and I know this wasn't the question, but werewolf vs. vampire = vampire had a very bad day. Werewolves rule! Live long, live hard.
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I am more for Werewolves, Some can control their form and they can't die as easily as vampires. If a vampire and Werewolf went into battle against a vampire i think it would go like this:
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Enough said =p
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BTW please don't try and say your either one, if you do your either a liar or your breaking the pact of your covenant and will pay the price.
Either way, werewolves still rule due to their innate ability to hunt, and kill Vampies!!
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Top vamp movies (in order): Interview with a Vampire, 30 Days of Night, Blade/Fright Night (hard to choose a position on either, and Underworld.
Werewolf movies: ALL TIME FAV MOVIE - Dog Soldiers, American Werewolf in London, (don't ask why) Big Bad Wolf (it was humorous and quite gorey, but effects weren't all that great), and Beast of Bray Road wasn't too bad either.
Though as we all know the werewolf genre of films haven't received too many decent films, but we all know of their MANLINESS. Just never really did get into the older films like Dracula and the original Wolfman or Nosferatu, I prefer the new graphic era.
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1) some werewolfs after there first tranformation can change at will
2) silver will not kill a werewolf it will only cause pain and discomfort
3) a werewolf can and will always kick a vampires a$$ anyday
that is all
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Your full of crap, and your a liar, enough said.
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The classic vampire is utterly and irredeemably evil. However, despite being irredeemably evil, vampires do not kill indiscriminantly. For example, Dracula was obsessed with a beautiful and innocent women and did not go around killing everyone he met.
The classic werewolf is an ordinary enough chap when the moon isn't full, but once the full moon hits he is unable to prevent his transformation into a ravenous beast that kills indiscriminantly.
The classic vampire mixes socially with humans despite his thirst for human blood.
The classic werewolf is unable to mix socially with humans while he is transformed.
Consequently, the classical vampire wins the "more in control of darkside question" hands down over the classic werewolf.
The real discussion is modern vampire vs. modern werewolf.
Today, authors write the vampire and werewolf whatever way they want.
Todays vampires lose control over the sight of blood!
Todays werewolves transform at will!
All the norms get changed around and remixed.
That's why debating vampires vs. werewolves today is practically hopeless.
Unless you define a vampire and werewolf norm, another author will simply present a different vampire and werewolf story that breaks that norm. In fact, it has become part of the literature to try and break the vampire and werewolf norms by presenting vampires or werewolves in different lights.
Sometimes the werewolf is a ravenous uncontrollable beast and sometimes he's just a cute pet. It's pathetic. It's tame.
Todays vampires are anguished lovers and haunted loners.
Todays werewolves are cute pets and angry lovers.
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Both are humans corrupted by power ..and I would note that intellectual evil is mostly logical and like a corrupt government kills for reasons that are restrained by rules and like it or not it is the rules that protect the innocent ....however evil like the werewolf is primal and kill for jealously, territory and because its Tuesday and they are in the mood ....Vampires have rules and as Hobbs said without something to restrain us all life would be nasty brutish and short...vamps are the long term winners in terms of restraint because they understand there are rules even to evil
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I see some interesting comments on if a vampire and a werewolf were to fight one-on-one.
I have to say that the classic werewolf would win over the classic vampire hands down. The werewolf is bigger, stronger, and more ferocious.
However, any vampire worth his fangs avoids such an obviously lost battle, and any werewolf worth his fur fights as part of a pack.
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Absolutely! Vampires are smart enough to defeat werewolves without arm wrestling them. So, why would any self-respecting vampire put himself at risk? And whereas the classic vampire is limited in its capability for roughly half of every 24 hour period, the classic werewolf is limited in its ability to once out of every month (well three days of a month according to some)! So even though, I still think the werewolf can take a vampire one-on-one in a fair fight, these creatures of the night rarely fight fair.
But I see that nobody's asking another question: why would vampires and werewolves want to fight each other in the first place?
Seriously, is a vampire going to get upset if a werewolf goes a little crazy and kills some people during the full moon? His whole life is based around sucking the life from people. Is a werewolf going to discriminate between vampires and normal people when he's hunting by the full moon? He's lost in the wolf. The whole vampires vs. werewolves theme is a modern invention... and an interesting invention it is because it poses the dilemma: which creature is more terrible, more nightmarish than the other...
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No it doesn't mean anything I just thought it was funny
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No it doesn't mean anything I just thought it was funny
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Werewolves go off, the transform and bang: completely going off.
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Vampires have a skein of fitting in with society, werewolves are completely unable to operate around fellow humans.
Vampires have a need to suck blood, werewolves eat and tear people to pieces.
Werewolves are the more assertive, the more direct, the most sincere in their lunacy and primal terror, totally at surrender to bestial urges.
They are predators, vampires are parasites.
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I'm not sure what's going on, but I have zero tolerance for posting the same comment more than once. You only need to hit the "Create comment" button ONCE.
If this doubling and tripling up of comments continues I will be forced to take drastic measures. I want this debate to be as mature as possible, and trying to make a point by hammering your comment does not work here. Thanks.
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Vampires create nothing and are parasites, at least werewolves howl at the moon and raise a storm.
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and I still maintain that murder is murder and violence is violence ....and the fact that one is done with passion and the other with deliberation means nothing ....
Incidentally it was vampires who were traditionally credited with mystical powers, vampires who create societies, art and use descression in their hunts and according to lore were usually in charge when the two were together....i'm not sure what this addiction to the so called 'passion of the wolf means...To me in most legends weres are blind primal rage ...killers without purpose death for the sake of death...angry psychotic children
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and I still maintain that murder is murder and violence is violence ....and the fact that one is done with passion and the other with deliberation means nothing ....
Incidentally it was vampires who were traditionally credited with mystical powers, vampires who create societies, art and use descression in their hunts and according to lore were usually in charge when the two were together....i'm not sure what this addiction to the so called 'passion of the wolf means...To me in most legends weres are blind primal rage ...killers without purpose death for the sake of death...angry psychotic children
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But werewolves are obviously werewolves, unlike vampires you can't pretend they are human.
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Now wat a human combine with to form a werewolf is fairly obvious no? A wolf and a human makes a werewolf right? Now what makes a vampire? Many people have different oppinions on this, personally i feel that a human who's soul is replaced by a demon (probably lust) is what makes a vampire (if you have a different opinion on this feel free to state it)
Now the question at hand is who has more control a werewolf or a vampire?
Well despite popular belief if a werewolf truely is a human and wolf combined then that whole raging bloodthirsty monster crap should be thrown out the window because frankly a real wolf is no blood thirsty monster. Thats not to say they arent dangerous because wolves are protective and terrtorial and when a wolf feels that its pack or itself is in danger they will turn violent, but they dont kill for fun (in fact only humans and house cats do that). Now the point to my little trivia is to say that if one were too become werewolf they would not develop the instinct to kill everything in sight. I think the only worrisome instincts they would develop/struggle with is the need to kill those who threaten the ones they care about and the need to be the most dominant person in the vicinity but other than that i dont think there would be to many control problems for a werewolf. Also they might have a strong erge to chase things that run from them (canines like chases)
Now lets talk about vampires.......If what i say is true and a vampire is human combined with a demon then their true instincts are to kill and make things suffer. They literally have all thier humanly instincts that seek pleasure and violence amplified by like a thousand. Vampires play with thier food and prolong the kill cus they think its fun. Now for those twilight fans out there who are gonna giv me sum crap and say there could be vampires who hate what they are and blah blah blah sob story none of this matters because it doesnt change what they are and what they truly desire, which is blood. In the end they still have control issues and for those who think that an elder vampire has more control i say thats bullshit its only because they are older and more experienced at getting their food that that they seem to have more control.
Now i want everyone to notice how i didnt bring up the subject of who is more powerful. The reason being is that there are tooo many people with too many ideas of what a vampire and a werewolf is that the argument could never be settled. But as for who has more control i would like everyone who doubts me when i say a werewolf would to look up behavior patterns of wolves and then come back and tell me what they think.
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Now wat a human combine with to form a werewolf is fairly obvious no? A wolf and a human makes a werewolf right? Now what makes a vampire? Many people have different oppinions on this, personally i feel that a human who's soul is replaced by a demon (probably lust) is what makes a vampire (if you have a different opinion on this feel free to state it)
Now the question at hand is who has more control a werewolf or a vampire?
Well despite popular belief if a werewolf truely is a human and wolf combined then that whole raging bloodthirsty monster crap should be thrown out the window because frankly a real wolf is no blood thirsty monster. Thats not to say they arent dangerous because wolves are protective and terrtorial and when a wolf feels that its pack or itself is in danger they will turn violent, but they dont kill for fun (in fact only humans and house cats do that). Now the point to my little trivia is to say that if one were too become werewolf they would not develop the instinct to kill everything in sight. I think the only worrisome instincts they would develop/struggle with is the need to kill those who threaten the ones they care about and the need to be the most dominant person in the vicinity but other than that i dont think there would be to many control problems for a werewolf. Also they might have a strong erge to chase things that run from them (canines like chases)
Now lets talk about vampires.......If what i say is true and a vampire is human combined with a demon then their true instincts are to kill and make things suffer. They literally have all thier humanly instincts that seek pleasure and violence amplified by like a thousand. Vampires play with thier food and prolong the kill cus they think its fun. Now for those twilight fans out there who are gonna giv me sum crap and say there could be vampires who hate what they are and blah blah blah sob story none of this matters because it doesnt change what they are and what they truly desire, which is blood. In the end they still have control issues and for those who think that an elder vampire has more control i say thats bullshit its only because they are older and more experienced at getting their food that that they seem to have more control.
Now i want everyone to notice how i didnt bring up the subject of who is more powerful. The reason being is that there are tooo many people with too many ideas of what a vampire and a werewolf is that the argument could never be settled. But as for who has more control i would like everyone who doubts me when i say a werewolf would to look up behavior patterns of wolves and then come back and tell me what they think.
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I suppose werewolves are more human than human, that angry shout inside of us that never gets answered, its the howl at the moon. Wolfen anthropomorphism is just an excuse for what is really mortal, violent vicious anger.
Vampirism has social intrigue, all the false superego, they represent opposite ends of the spectrum.
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Vampires, however, are akin to today's zombies (also according to the origin). They are fat, decaying slobs who are NOTHING like the modernized television-friendly vampire of today. They were mindless, and they drank blood greedily. They didn't care about anyone else because, truthfully, they are regarded as soulless beings.
Conclusively, werewolves are victims of demonic influence, but they still have souls. They traded their humanly form for a stronger, more ferocious body. Vampires are soulless and thoughtless. As such, they are unable to retain control.
Thus, werewolves have far more control than vampires.
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They are in fact modern creations both......Old legends were full of spirits and shapeshifters and creatures of the undead but weres and vamps as we see them today evolved as a Victorian interpration of those legends....Look at the legends weres are just as damned just as dead and cause more mayhem...
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To start off: classic werewolves are not just a merge of human and animal. So you can't just look up information on wolves in the wild and use it to justify them.
Let's look at the driving motivation of each monster:
Vampire: hunger/lust
Werewolf: hunger/rage
Both are driven to consume their prey. The werewolf feels the call of the moon pulling at him until he succombs to it's fury. He transforms and goes on the hunt to utterly devour his prey. The vampire is an empty husk; his life has been sucked from him. All he feels is the constant emptiness of his own life. He feels the pulls of the living and is drawn to utterly devour them so that, for an instant, he again feels alive, rather than the dead eternal corpse that he is. This high becomes a dependency that dominates the vampire.
Neither one is human. Just because a vampire walks among humans doesn't make him human. Just because a werewolf looks human for most of the month doesn't make him human. Sure, both monsters used to be human, but don't deceive yourselves. They have lost their humanity. Willingly or unwillingly is has been taken from them. Ultimately, the little bit of control they appear to exert over their darksides is an illusion. The reality is: the darkness is their master and they are ultimately helpless to resist it in the end...
The human veils they wear are "sheepskins" hiding their true natures. A disguise that prevents normal people from knowing what they truly are: monsters.
The warning for humans is: don't go out at night, don't invite strangers into your home, wear a silver cross, pray, beware the full moon and the howls of the primal beasts that will consume you...
This is classic vampire, classic werewolf.
The classic is the Victorian interpretation. Subsequent interpretations are modern, but usually incorporate some of the Victorian classic.
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So there for vampires win for they can use weapons and if that doesnt work they can go into there ultimate form to wipe the floor with a werewolf.
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So there for vampires win for they can use weapons and if that doesnt work they can go into there ultimate form to wipe the floor with a werewolf.
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So there for vampires win for they can use weapons and if that doesnt work they can go into there ultimate form to wipe the floor with a werewolf.
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So there for vampires win for they can use weapons and if that doesnt work they can go into there ultimate form to wipe the floor with a werewolf.
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I enjoy looking at things from other perspectives. For example, is it more terrifying to be transformed into a werewolf or into a vampire?
To all those out there turned into werewolves: gratz on surviving the werewolf attack! It's kind of rare to just get bitten by a werewolf rather than torn to shreds and half devoured - unlike the vampire kiss of death where blood loss leads to unconsciousness.
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I will stand by my previous statement that a vampire has more control over his or her "dark-side" and impulses.
If one is scared of dogs than the weres will be more monster. I also accredit were being the more scary looking and sounding (if done right) on film. However, I am a reader and writer, not so much into TV. When I was little, I don't remember if it was a movie, book, or something I wrote but the greatest monster I have seen was a werewolf, fully morphed, covered in sweat and blood, comming out of the tree line. Head low, eyes gleaming of fever and pure rage at the loss of his family, and the poor bloke has a form of rabies with white foam dripping form his parted jowls.
However, TV (as far as I can see) has favored vampires for their villains and impregnating them with shape-shifting abilities which can increase their monster-ish-ness (making 'em as I go people just work with me) >:0P I remember a movie I watched once that had the vampire morph into a bunch of bugs, sorry it might be a girlie thing for me to say (shh don't tell my husband I said that) but the ick factor was high upon seeing that.
So on this note, I will say the were is more monster-ish due to the fact it is, at first sight more scary. A vamp just standing there looks like a person, a were looks like something uncivilized willing eat you just to cure its boredom.
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that Werewolf wins
fangs vs fangs and large claws and razor sharp teeth
wolfie winS!!!!!!!!
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"Ok here's how im gonna settle this argument about who has more control, im gonna describe what a werewolf and vampire is. Both creatures use to be humans yes? But then they combined with something else right? Creating some sort of hybrid entity.
Now wat a human combine with to form a werewolf is fairly obvious no? A wolf and a human makes a werewolf right? Now what makes a vampire? Many people have different oppinions on this, personally i feel that a human who's soul is replaced by a demon (probably lust) is what makes a vampire (if you have a different opinion on this feel free to state it)
Now the question at hand is who has more control a werewolf or a vampire?
Well despite popular belief if a werewolf truely is a human and wolf combined then that whole raging bloodthirsty monster crap should be thrown out the window because frankly a real wolf is no blood thirsty monster. Thats not to say they arent dangerous because wolves are protective and terrtorial and when a wolf feels that its pack or itself is in danger they will turn violent, but they dont kill for fun (in fact only humans and house cats do that). Now the point to my little trivia is to say that if one were too become werewolf they would not develop the instinct to kill everything in sight. I think the only worrisome instincts they would develop/struggle with is the need to kill those who threaten the ones they care about and the need to be the most dominant person in the vicinity but other than that i dont think there would be to many control problems for a werewolf. Also they might have a strong erge to chase things that run from them (canines like chases)
Now lets talk about vampires.......If what i say is true and a vampire is human combined with a demon then their true instincts are to kill and make things suffer. They literally have all thier humanly instincts that seek pleasure and violence amplified by like a thousand. Vampires play with thier food and prolong the kill cus they think its fun. Now for those twilight fans out there who are gonna giv me sum crap and say there could be vampires who hate what they are and blah blah blah sob story none of this matters because it doesnt change what they are and what they truly desire, which is blood. In the end they still have control issues and for those who think that an elder vampire has more control i say thats bullshit its only because they are older and more experienced at getting their food that that they seem to have more control.
Now i want everyone to notice how i didnt bring up the subject of who is more powerful. The reason being is that there are tooo many people with too many ideas of what a vampire and a werewolf is that the argument could never be settled. But as for who has more control i would like everyone who doubts me when i say a werewolf would to look up behavior patterns of wolves and then come back and tell me what they think."
please note that someone already tried to counter me saying that facts are void because we are suppose to look toward the origins of the creatures and my response to this counter is located exactly three comments above this one.
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Vampires are cold detached killers, and yes they can be ruthless in getting what they need....and like any creature they can be passionate when their butt is on the line but their lack of human emotion gives them more control not less. Their evil is practical and cold blooded not based on passion.
Also if you read the legends carefully only a few say it is the blending of human and demon that makes the vamp....
Most say they are humans empowered their curse and detahed from humanity by it, once again it is the detahcment from humanity that gives the vamp a degree of control weres cannot match....
I mean I love my dog more than most people but I wouldnt want him roaming the streets filled with supernatural power ....
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First off werewolves don't have their humanity taken away since a werewolf is a combination of human and animal not human replaced by animal. Which means they have their humanity and animal instincts added to it.
Furthermore even if what you say is true and werewolves do lose thier humanity that would only make them less violent. Think about this of all the animals in the world only humans have the capacity to hate, only humans kill for things other than food, and only humans feel they have the right to rule over anything that they think is beneath them. In the end the when you think about it why would a werewolf who lost its humanity go on a killing spree when its only humans that ever feel such a compulsion?
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I think you are overlooking that werewolves and vampires are supernatural - in other words, not natural. As such, you cannot argue solely on nature facts about wolves. I pointed out as much in response to your post previously and I am pointing it out again, here, now.
Werewolves are not simply a hybrid of wolf and man. The literature about werewolves (not wolves, but werewolves) indicates that they are supernatural creatures of horror.
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'I enjoy looking at things from other perspectives. For example, is it more terrifying to be transformed into a werewolf or into a vampire?
To all those out there turned into werewolves: gratz on surviving the werewolf attack! It's kind of rare to just get bitten by a werewolf rather than torn to shreds and half devoured - unlike the vampire kiss of death where blood loss leads to unconsciousness.'
It isnt terrifying to 'transform' but to be transformed is the painful part, it is mostly a haze to me now, but the pain, well, yea.
'it's kind of rare to just get bitten by a werewolf rather than torn to shreds and half devoured' no it isnt, not many of us are 'born' into a blood-frenzy and when we are, the others try to destroy them. also, where you posted above, ' I think you are overlooking that werewolves and vampires are supernatural - in other words, not natural' isn't entirely true, we are a part of nature, just, different. Also, while I'm pointing things out about that post, 'Werewolves are not simply a hybrid of wolf and man. The literature about werewolves (not wolves, but werewolves) indicates that they are supernatural creatures of horror.' uh, thanks for the first sentence, but I hate it when people touch apon what literature has to say
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I may have overstated by saying "not natural". They are supernatural, and more than the sum of wolf and man...
many explanations exist for how a werewolf transforms from man to beast.
But as far as I know, there is still no common accepted satisfactory explanation.
Literature is but words on paper and most of it is written by humans who are scared out of their mind by the prospect that such creatures might exist. That makes it biased, I suppose.
However, when it comes to vampires, there really isn't anyway to sugar-coat that they feed on human blood and thrist for human blood. some of the (sorry) literature says that vampires can get away with feeding on animal blood rather than human blood. I guess they don't really know vampires. I think humans are definitely justified in having fear of vampires.
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My response to this is that your right, although others might say otherwise about them being real or not, but your right we cant use facts because there are none, What you dont seem to understand is that im not using facts or opinions, im useing logic. What is a werewolf? A wolf and a human combined. Such a combination would not produce a mass murdering creature like people keep saying since in the end wolves are not violent and enraged creatures. The reason a werewolf is portrayed as a blood thirsty beast in some stories (very few i might add) is because people back in the day had much resentment toward wolves (farmers especially) so they gave them imaginary qualities like being viscious and ravishing beast thats why in most fairy tales like little red ridinghood and three little pigs had wolves as antagonist. The point im trying to make is that these imaginary qualities that people of the past placed on wolves has now been disproven in our modern world and as such i believe those same false qualities should also be removed from the werewolf persona since it was placed there under false pretenses
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Logic still requires assumptions to draw conclusions.
Logically speaking, if the werewolf were merely the hybrid of wolf and man, then ordinary bullets should suffice to kill them.
Classically speaking, silver is required to prevent a werewolf from automatically healing damage dealt to it. I subscribe to the classic supernatural depiction of the werewolf and, thus, I do not find the treatment of the werewolf as a natural hybrid of man and wolf to be sufficient.
However, I have no problem with redefining the werewolf and re-debating the results. Plenty of authors have done this (each with his own logical interpretation).
Fact 1:
A wolf is a wild animal.
Unlike a dog ("man's best friend"), a wolf does not trust people. For example, a dog will beg for food. A wolf will not.
Fact 2:
A wolf is a large predator.
When a wolf is hungry it will hunt for food. In a heavily human populated area, the primary source of food is humans.
Lemma 1:
Werewolves become ravenous once they transform into wolves.
Where does all of that energy needed to transform come from? Food.
Where does the energy needed to transform back into a human come from? More food.
Hence, a natural werewolf transforms into a ravenous wolf that must consume (that is kill) a sufficient quantity of food before he can change back into a human!
Lemma 2:
Werewolves in human populated areas can easily become enraged.
Humans that see a wolf are likely to react negatively. If the humans don't act aggressively towards wolves, they often get someone who will. When the wolf is attacked, it will experience fight or flight. A wolf that gets attacked or threatened may become enraged. This is more likely because the werewolf is hungry (see Lemma 1).
Luckily, in modern times, animal control can bring a wolf down (tranquilizer) without enraging it. In the past, this was not so simple.
I conclude that the natural werewolf is a dangerous creature (far more dangerous than an ordinary wolf would be) and should avoid human populations because it will become ravenous and enraged.
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"Fact 1:
A wolf is a wild animal.
Unlike a dog ("man's best friend"), a wolf does not trust people. For example, a dog will beg for food. A wolf will not. (damn right)
Fact 2:
A wolf is a large predator. (YEP
When a wolf is hungry it will hunt for food. In a heavily human populated area, the primary source of food is humans. (clever ^.^)
Lemma 1:
Werewolves become ravenous once they transform into wolves.
Where does all of that energy needed to transform come from? Food.
Where does the energy needed to transform back into a human come from? More food.
Hence, a natural werewolf transforms into a ravenous wolf that must consume (that is kill) a sufficient quantity of food before he can change back into a human! (nup, I can, im just normaly ravenous, even ask... oh wait you probably couldnt...)
Lemma 2:
Werewolves in human populated areas can easily become enraged.
Humans that see a wolf are likely to react negatively. If the humans don't act aggressively towards wolves, they often get someone who will. When the wolf is attacked, it will experience fight or flight. A wolf that gets attacked or threatened may become enraged. (WOW you have a great insight, how OLD are you!?, dont answer that) This is more likely because the werewolf is hungry (always am) (see Lemma 1).
Luckily, in modern times, animal control can bring a wolf down (tranquilizer) without enraging it. In the past, this was not so simple.( damn right, itts gotten harder to get a meal.)
I conclude that the natural werewolf is a dangerous creature (far more dangerous than an ordinary wolf would be) and should avoid human populations because it will become ravenous and enraged."
seeeeeeeeeeee? great insight and point of view (no pun intended) got to go, ill post later ^.^ CYA
Comment by Royale
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While depictions of them attacking humans and human villages are cetainly wildly exaggerated Whatever else they may be they are wild animals territorial, combative and primal... Add to that normal human passions and you have a bloodthirsty killer waiting in the wings/....It boggles the mind how that combination could be seen as anything but wild and out of control
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Let me respond to your counter of my logic
1.) you said if a werewolf were merely a hybrid why would silver be needed to take down such a creature.
2.) you also supported your claim that such creatures would be ravounous because the energy required to change comes from food hence why the werewolves would try to eat everything in sight.
My response to these statements of yours is the moon. The answer to why silver would hurt a werewolf is because silver has always been metal that people of the past thought was magically linked too the moon. People believed that silver was the favored metal of both the roman goddess Luna and the greek goddess Artemis so any type of ritual used to pay omage to the moon or required the moon to perform a ritual silver was used. Since the magic of the werewolves is linked to the moon it makes sense why silver a metal who is also supposedly linked to the moon would hurt them.
As for number 2 well i think your wrong about where they get thier energy too change. Like the tides of the oceans the transformations of the werewolves is also linked to the moon. I believe American werewolf in Paris has a great explanation for why werewolves would be scientifically linked to the moon
I also want to mention your "facts" about wolves is somewhat vague and some of it is wrong. I agree they are wild animals, i agree they dont trust humans, and dont things like this usually explain why they run from humans? What wild animal hunts a thing they are afraid dont of usually they run. Another thing i want to point out is that as for size wolves are not that big compared to other predators hence why they hunt in packs and mostly feed on herd stragglers. Wolves tend not to feed on healthy adults because chances of success are lowered while chances of being injured increase. This is why i want to point out that when a wolf is hungry it does not just immediatly attack the nearest pray it sits and waits until the opportune moment.
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Ah!
But the moment you accept that silver affects werewolves because of magic, is the moment you appeal to the supernatural. For magic is precisely that: supernatural.* Why then is it so hard to accept that the classic werewolf is a magical (that is, supernatural) creature?
I agree that the mysteries of the moon are abundant.
But although the werewolf link to the moon is interesting, the full moon is actually a period of heightened activity for many nocturnal creatures, none of whom get their energy to transform directly from the moon itself. Flowers that bloom in moonlight do not get the energy to transform directly from the moon, but rather use the moon as a trigger for the blooming process. For some noctural plants darkness is sufficient, but, of course, there isn't any energy to be gained from darkness (darkness being practically defined as an absence of energy).
So from a natural werewolf point of view, the most logical conclusion is that the moon is a trigger for the transformation and not a supply of energy for the transformation.
You raise some valid points.
I agree that wolves are not the largest predators out there, hunt in packs, usually run when threatened, and normally feed on herd stragglers.
In response, I would point out that werewolves are argueably larger than wolves, argueably hunt alone, and argueably can only run from so many humans before attacking one.
You don't agree with the hungry predator interpretation (classic), but it is true that a hungry predator will risk attack on robust prey much larger than itself if it feels the necessity to do so (whether it sits patiently for a human to wander by or just eats the nearest one). I agree that a predator that is not hungry doesn't normally attack and that under a not so hungry interpretation werewolves are much less dangerous.
*No offence intended toward wizards.
Comment by Another Point of View
(the scientists would love to get their hands on some vampire brain)
To help answer the question:
Memories are stored physically, not electrically, and declaring someone brain dead is not equivalent to destroying brain tissue. Scientifically, there should be some brain activity (and electrical impulse by products) in order for an organism to recall memories or engage in other cognitive processes or to regulate the many complicated functions of the body. But do vampires have such processes?
And if you remove a vampire's brain and vampire regenerates his brain, does the vampire remember what you just did to him?
A mindless vampire driven by a thirst for blood is no better than a zombie.
Comment by Royale
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To be converted or turned the victim must taste vampire blood before they are completely gone...maybe its the vampire venom or whatever that preserves the brain, maybe they dont die at all at least in the modern sense...In days gone by when the heart stopped that was considered death. These days we know better
The brain survives for three to four minutes after the flow of oxygen is cut off and total break down may not occur til much later.
remember that the brain is a physical thing not a computer that looses unsaved data when turned off. Cold water drowning victim sometimes survive for an hour or more
Blood comes out but venom flows in and preserves it all...not really that complex
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Werewofls and Vampires
Both beings who r drawn to the call of the night or the moon. Beings who are driven by lust a need. Werewolfs are driven by rage and a need to feed and look for there own kind.
Vampires are driven by lust, always waiting for that next hit of blood.
Now when It comes to the question of which creature is in control of there darkside i would have to say Vampires because they can control when they go out feeding and rotting.
But werewolfs, they cant there fixed on that few days of the month which they call there nightmare and hell driven by rage and cant control themselves.
For me i like werewolves because in the end there torment and pain will end.
A vampires will last for ever,
Have fun rotting in your coffins.
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As to control I think its demonstrated that vamps have a choice and weres are what they are
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Although living forever is awesome, living a half-existence isn't really living.
To say another way: werewolves bite and vampires suck.
I'm not sure which creature is more horrifying to become.
Perhaps, it depends on the personality of the person before transformation.
Some personalities cope with eternal emptiness, others go insane.
Some people embrace the wolf, others live in fear.
Or, perhaps the personality of the monster eventually takes over - the rest is futile resistance.
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You continue to astound me with your knowledge, as you said, it depends on the personality of the person who changes, like for me, i enjoy being free, with no rules, but when i am 'human' there are rules everywhere, can you see why i embrace being a wolf with open arms? to me it is not a curse, but a gift, to be able to follow another life that dosent always drag me down.
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sorry i never responded been awhile since ive read any new comments.
Anyway first of all you said.....something like the moment i appealed to magic i something something blah blah blah supernatural. But i believe the point you were trying to make was that because i used magic as a reference my logic was rendered useless. Well my good sir sorry to tell you but like the evolutionary theory, logic is not a religion and can be used in even the most outragous stories. Further more you yourself use logic even as you argue with me. you base your assumption on things you know and combine them to form your conclusion.
As for your counter to my moon explanation u must be thinking its the sight of the moon that causes the transformation or maybe you think its the moonlight i dont know but your reference to other animals and plants has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. You may have misunderstood me when i said they get they're energy from the moon. Because you are right the moon is not a source of energy for werewolves, but what i meant is that they expend no energy when transforming because their biocycle is connected to the moon cycle. If it helps you could think of it almost like a female's menstraul cycle. Through out the month the werewolf naturally gains energy to transformed this energy is then released during the full moon. Its not that far out of an explanation since almost all living creatures on earth are biologically connected to the moon (this is a fact google it) humans dont really sense but animals do. The connection isnt something really amasing it might cause animals to have different moods and what not but for a werewolf this is big influence that physically affects them.
Anyway im getting tired of this because im finding that writing all this information down is kinda useless since no one comes here to actually read what others write rather they come here to make own statements about what they feel rather than basing it on anything. I like opinions but most these people are just to biased to even consider they might be wrong anyway this may or may not be my last comment i dont know, but this stuff is just getting too repetitive
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I think that's an interesting concept: werewolf order.
Certainly, we can see many instances where animals form hierarchies.
Ants form colonies.
Sheep form herds.
Wolves form packs.
Humans also tend to form into a leader/follower hierarchy.
Tribes have chiefs.
Kingdoms have Kings.
Republics have Presidents.
Dynastys have Emperors.
In every society, there are people who make decisions for a larger group.
Sports teams have captains. Armies have Generals.
Even Book Clubs have people in charge of organizing the club - people who make decisions for the club.
The concept is not new... it's ancient.
When you're a werewolf or a vampire on the lone, there is a distinct absence of rules. There's no group around telling you how to be. For some it's liberating, for some it's terrifying. In some ways, lone vampires and lone werewolves are more dangerous. As they realize they aren't human anymore and begin to lose their attachments, their actions become less predictable.
Vampires and werewolves who live in groups of their own form bonds. This is just psychology 101. It means that members of a group will tend to obey the rules (spoken and unspoken) of that group. With vampires, that almost inevitably comes down to feeding rights. With werewolves it usually boils down to how they spend their full moons.
A tribal structure with a strong "alpha" really works well for werewolves in a group and this is the structure of many of the groups that have been around a long time.
With vampires there are master slave relationships. The older vampires are more powerful because of the numbers of slaves they have bound to their will.
So believe it or not, the typical werewolf pack is actually a support structure for its members whereas the typical vampire structure is one of bondage for its members. Are you still sure you want to unlive forever?
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In nature alpha members of a group are always fighting for control of their tribe as you put it often with lethal results....Tribal societies are very strict and tyranical with violations of order or tradition having deadly consequences. However I would argue that since they are both basically human underneath it all I doubt their would be much difference between the two in practice...Ie a biker gang of vampires would still be a biker gang and a werewolf mafia family would still function like a mafia family et al
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I've meet a werewolf before, and they can quite easily change at will, and know what they're doing even when changed. Those that can't control themselves are abominations that are hunted and killed because their lack of control is a hazard to the others' survival and secrecy. those that are created through accident are abominations. those meant to be eaten, bitten by a werewolf, but perhaps killing the werewolf and surviving the attack are the often accidents. though there are a few fanatics who hunt werewolves in order to become "infected". the true werewolves are born, or chosen as blood brothers through proven loyalty. there is a specific Ritual done during the first transformation that allows a new werewolf control. Though there is a VERY LIMITED instances of abominations learning to control themselves as well. often many abominations are either these fanatics mentioned earlier, or Hunters.
I choose Werewolves.
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If you go by the demon in human skin mythology they are roughly equal with superiority coming on a case by case basis...
Even when normal humans take on the wolf with modern weapons the humans usually win
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However in terms of who I would be more afraid of, I would say a werewolf, at least a strong willed one. Combine bestial instincts, extreme strength and speed, with human logic and cunning and you get one dangerous son of a bitch.
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However in terms of who I would be more afraid of, I would say a werewolf, at least a strong willed one. Combine bestial instincts, extreme strength and speed, with human logic and cunning and you get one dangerous son of a bitch.
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People can become willing food for vampires. People often assume that if a vampire is feeding on a person that the person wants to escape.
People can also befriend werewolves. And, of course, vampires and werewolves can cooperate. Just because this list pits them against each other does automatically make them enemies.
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I agree, modern weaponry is devastating. Both vampires and werewolves stand little chance against cutting edge weaponry... unless they themselves also happen to be similarly equipped...
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I don't doubt the ability of a werewolf pack to take down a vampire. The hunter always holds an advantage over his prey in that the hunter seeks the prey and the prey is often taken unawares.
I also don't doubt that a prepared vampire can become the hunter and take down unsuspecting werewolves...
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but of course math is hard for a dog
However you spin it vamps have power and control ...The wolf is all rage and teeth
Its a little Bruce Lee beating the crap out of Billy Bob biker ....Sure theres always a chance Billy Bob can catch Bruce off gaurd but 99 times out of a 100 the mutt is gonna get handed his lunch and you know it
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Vampires are a modern mythology and it is one of a demi God
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All this talk about conflict between vampires and werewolves may have been blown out of proportion. According to one recent study, the two species may actually be on friendly terms. Read on...
By C. Michael Forsyth
CHIGAGO – Forget what you’ve seen in Hollywood horror flicks like “Underworld.” Vampires and werewolves get on famously — and the friendly relationship dates back many centuries, according to top experts in the field.
“Many of my closest pals are werewolves,” reveals Charles Vinowinski, a self-proclaimed Chicago vampire who says he’s 128, but looks a spry 60. “We go bowling together, hang out and visit each other’s homes to play board games on Saturday nights.”
The chummy relationship between the two species is a far cry from the hit movie “Underworld,” which depicts a war that’s been waged for eons.
“The vampire-werewolf alliance can be traced at least as far back as ancient Rome,” asserts folklorist Dr. Hans Reintenhauser of the Berlin Institute for the Study of Unusual Phenomenon.
“During the dark ages, vampires and werewolves were known to hunt together and operate in pairs. During the day, while in human form, the lycanthrope would protect the sleeping vampire from those who would do him or her harm.
“Because in those days both species were persecuted by ordinary people, they needed to work hand in hand for the sake of their own survival.”
Such “odd couples” still exist in modern times, according to the expert, author of the upcoming book, “Friends Forever: The Untold Story of the Vampire-Werewolf Kinship.” Read the rest of the article at
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All this talk about conflict between vampires and werewolves may have been blown out of proportion. According to one recent study, the two species may actually be on friendly terms. Read on...
By C. Michael Forsyth
CHIGAGO – Forget what you’ve seen in Hollywood horror flicks like “Underworld.” Vampires and werewolves get on famously — and the friendly relationship dates back many centuries, according to top experts in the field.
“Many of my closest pals are werewolves,” reveals Charles Vinowinski, a self-proclaimed Chicago vampire who says he’s 128, but looks a spry 60. “We go bowling together, hang out and visit each other’s homes to play board games on Saturday nights.”
The chummy relationship between the two species is a far cry from the hit movie “Underworld,” which depicts a war that’s been waged for eons.
“The vampire-werewolf alliance can be traced at least as far back as ancient Rome,” asserts folklorist Dr. Hans Reintenhauser of the Berlin Institute for the Study of Unusual Phenomenon.
“During the dark ages, vampires and werewolves were known to hunt together and operate in pairs. During the day, while in human form, the lycanthrope would protect the sleeping vampire from those who would do him or her harm.
“Because in those days both species were persecuted by ordinary people, they needed to work hand in hand for the sake of their own survival.”
Such “odd couples” still exist in modern times, according to the expert, author of the upcoming book, “Friends Forever: The Untold Story of the Vampire-Werewolf Kinship.” Read the rest of the article at
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Im jealous...and you have a very good point.
Check your style book though 128-years-old is correct on the first reference though just the number is good for the second if I remember my AP correctly
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and any ways i am definitly a wolf cuz some spesific breeds are immortal , can change on will, can keep their mind when hunting and still have all the good stuff listed above!
yah also vamps have ALOT of phycological problems ... and this is commin from a 16 year old but dnt diss OK??
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Werewolves:
Unimaginable strenght
Great Agility
Great Reflexes
Immense Speed (Surpasses a Vampirespeed)
Can Transform by Will
Use its power in daylight (but not transforming)
Immortal
Has a curse
Vampires are nothing!
Werewolves are the superioir
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Werewolves:
Unimaginable strenght
Great Agility
Great Reflexes
Immense Speed (Surpasses a Vampirespeed)
Can Transform by Will
Use its power in daylight (but not transforming)
Immortal
Has a curse
Vampires are nothing!
Werewolves are the superioir
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new-age vamp and wolf crap or the classic.
Twilight does not have werewolves they are shape-shifters (stated in book four), werewolves do not have the ability to transform at will. Also to the comments above, vampires are constantly vampires and are always at their peak of strength (except in the day) where as a werewolf or your craplight shape-shifters must change to achieve full potential in their power. Also werewolves have no powers in the day, there must be a full moon present. Also vampires have a multitude of weaknesses when a werewolf has only silver.
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Like their brutal strenght and speed!
plus thats awsome!
Vampire Needs Blood every single fucking day!
Without blood vampires are nothing but a rotten cheese!.
Werewolves dont need to kill humans only at 10 days time when its full moon! were they transform into a Werewolves!
Plus! Werewolves are the unbeatable!
Look 10 vampires againts 1 werewolve! who would win the...THE WEREWOLVE!
i say the best creatures of the night are the werewolves!
coz of their brutal strenght,immense speed,agility,reflexes,senses ,Smell,
plus legend has it zeus turned lycoan into a werewolves.
Vampire has lots of weakness!..... werewolves are the far ruler of the night
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maybe we should start a new debate ....mighty mouse versus underdog
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maybe we should start a new debate ....mighty mouse versus underdog
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I see there is plenty of debate going on in addition to the occasional transformation into growls and snarls…
@werewolfwriter: outstanding post and I'll be adding that link to my bookmarks.
Getting back to the debate though: Vampires vs. Werewolves.
I will examine what I term the modern Popular Vampire and the Popular Werewolf.
Who is faster?
When I go to see a modern vampire movie, I expect that the speed of vampires will be denoted using a special effect. The vampires will be so superhumanly fast that their movements are denoted using blurs or by having the vampire vanish from one location and appear in another.
When I go to see a werewolf movie, I do not expect to see the werewolf's movements denoted with comparable special effects.
Point: Popular Vampire
Who is stronger?
This is a difficult question, but again I seem to see more special effects for superhuman vampire strength than I do for superhuman werewolf strength. For example, when a transformed werewolf on the full moon gets hit by a car and knocked down but a vampire stops a vehicle outright in a head on collision. This seems odd to me, but
Point: Popular Vampire
Who actually wins in a toe to toe fight?
The outcome of any confrontation appears to favor the werewolf. This appears to be because the werewolf usually represents the lesser of two evils and the greater evil must die. Often they are evenly matched in the final battle or the werewolf plays the part of the underdog, but other events conspire to triumph over the vampire. This occurs even if the werewolves are servants of the vampires in the movie. Because the werewolf wins no matter how powerful the vampire was portrayed
Point: Popular Werewolf
There are of course vampire movies in which all of the vampires are incredibly dumb and allow themselves to be killed en mass with relative ease by ordinary people acting with far greater intelligence and prescience than the stupid ravenous vampires. I will denote these vampires as Zombie Vampires because their behavior is so stupid that they basically play the role that zombies play in many other movies. They are almost beneath my notice really except to note that the dumbest vampires are far dumber than the dumbest werewolves.
Point: Popular Werewolf
Needless to say anyone advocating that werewolves are superior is advocating for the most powerful portrayal of werewolf and anyone advocating that vampires are superior is advocating for the most powerful portrayal of vampire.
The most powerful vampire in any movie is usually denoted by being named Dracula or by being in some way compared to Dracula. So vampires have an advantage in name recognition. To my knowledge, no werewolf has the same level of name recognition as Dracula does.
Point: Popular Vampire
...Question: Who is the iconic Werewolf?
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Anyway, the Werewolf is a good choice on this question, but, the Vampire(s) are more likely the better because of these reasons: Invulnerability, Immortality, Cunning, Stealth, etc. Vampires then are (a) the Perfect Night-Time Super-Predators & (b) they are of course Built For the Kill.
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Anyway, the Werewolf is a good choice on this question, but, the Vampire(s) are more likely the better because of these reasons: Invulnerability, Immortality, Cunning, Stealth, etc. Vampires then are (a) the Perfect Night-Time Super-Predators & (b) they are of course Built For the Kill.
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1. You are stating that a wolf is unable to controle his change but a vamp can. That is just deliberatly giveing the vamp an adavantage that he doesnt always have. A wolf isnt always affected by the moon and a vamps cant always control what they look like.
2. How are vamps invulnerable? The last I heard the couldnt go out in the sun and could be killed with stakes and garlic and crosses.
3. A wolf is as immortal as a vamp and they have less weaknesss's.
4. A wolf is even more built for the KILL because he has the nast claws and larger teeth.
I think if you are going to compare the 2 you have to have them on equal grounds. You have to give bothe of them either all ther advantages or non of them and then compare.
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they have a super strong sense of smell
they are strong sometimes even stronger than vampires
some of them are immortal in wolf form
some of them can transform at will
they're sometimes faster than vampires
werewolves can transform into wolfs
even thought some of them don't need the full moon to transform. they become stronger under the full moon
werewolves are not weak against silver.
werewolves are beast so in a fight with vampires without preparation they can easily win
downsides
unlike wolfs they don't like being in groups but sometimes do so
vulnerable in human form.
some of them completely lose to their instinct
can easily be provoke
werewolf will likely eat you till your no more. so no second life and no minions
now vampire facts
immortal thought there body age but they won't die of it nor will they become weak
strong and fast like the werewolf. but not a natural fight
smart and will use strategies to take down their prey
they have more minions thought there minions are weak he can use them strategically
if one is a thousand years old they have resistance against the sun
they can transform into bats
they have super hearing
downsides
they become weak if they don't drink blood and sometimes die
they like playing with their prey.
they are vulnerable in bat form
conclusion
by far werewolves can kill vampires without preparation with ease. and vampire can defeat werewolf if given enough time to prepare
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until its too late you cant control your thirst easily you cant even imagine the thirst and the first peolp you kill are the ones closely related to you they have wierd habits of counting tiny objects and untie every knot they see any victim you drink blood from when they die they become a vampire
and there is more but cant be bothered typing it all
good things
.Immortality
.hypnotision
.transformations(not only bats)
.fast agile and can climb walls like a spider but faster are strong and have high endurance
.intelligent
bad things
.are constantly thirsty
.at first resemble zombies
.lots of weaknesses
.if they stop drinking for too long they age quickly
.cant go in some places without permission
.get distracted by small objects like seeds
.likes to untie knots
.cant get past flowing water without a boat
.if they lose a sock they will risk their lifes to get it
. most children of vampires will try and kill their father and do not have their weaknesses but all their strengths
now what about werewolves
they dont go through such a painful process are only forced to transform on full moons
can change at will can fully control themselves unless a full moon can blend in more easily dont need to kill anyone
are immortal can have children that wont try and kill them can move at high speeds (not as fast as a vampire) are more stronger and regenerate more quickly have less weaknesses can half transform into a wolf vampires have to transform fully but half forms are also stronger than human or wolf have less enemies but dogs and some other animals hate them but vampires can control animals
good things
.can transform as much as the want
.dont have to kill
.grow stronger when moon is out
.dont have many weaknesses
.becoming one is less painful
.can fit in more easily
.dont look f*cked up when theyre young
.regenerates more faster and is stronger than a vampire
.children wont kill them
bad things
.not as fast as a vampire
.does not get along well with animals
.cannot hypnotise people
.becomes mad on a full moon
.cannot transform infront of a human or they will have to kill them
so id rather be a werewolf
but if you ask me the best is a wendigo
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Let us not forget the origins of vampires. They are undead bat-demons. Twighlight has completely warped vampires into some kind of surfer hunk. I have never seen the sexual appeal of vampires and I don't know how anyone else would. Besides, vampires are creatures of evil, while werewolves are (maby# crrreatures of the earth. With age, werewolves can learn to control their bestial half, and even control when they change. I also believe that BOTH creatures are immortal. People say that vampires are more in control but as far as we know, they are as much a slave to The Thirst as werewolves. Maby even more. VAMPIRES DIE IN SUNLIGHT THEY DO NOT GLOW. I for one, see the sexual appeal of werewolves. For some reason, whenever I imagine a female werewolf, or see one in a dream, she is FREAKIN' HOT! Werewolves seem more able in combat than vampires. Claws, more fangs, larger more muscular bodies, swifter, more agile than vampires. Also what I find is hilarious is that in Van Helsing, the only thing that could kill Dracula, was... wait for it... a WEREWOLF! If I could I would much rather become a werewolf. Vampires can go bleep themselves, which I'm pretty sure they do alot. #The bleep means cut!# WULFS FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!
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Everyone I know who has seen Twilight asks the same:
What's with the twinkley skin?
In a way this actually nerfs the vampires in Twilight because where the classic vampire bursts into flame as a demonstration of their irredeemablely evil nature, Twilight vampires just sort of well "...pretty. Oh so pretty. So pretty and witty and -" well, let me just step back to the other interesting part of your post.
Which is more sexy...? Vampire or Werewolf? Who would you rather date and why?
Ba Da Daa!
Vampires?
Get their sexy on from seducing people with their charm.
No - not physical charm dummy. Vampire sexiness is the seduction of the snake tempting Eve to take the apple. It's the hypnotic gaze or the intangible presence of an undying creature. Fans of vampires get off on the seduction of the forbidden, the idea of doing something you shouldn't because it's wrong or evil or in spite of the fact that it is wrong or evil. Vampires take human life by drinking the life essence of their victims - their blood. That is a terrible thing to do and everyone knows it, but... what if it made you immortal.. are you tempted now human? The charm is all a lie. Immortality comes at the cost of your humanity. The gaze draws you in, but the body is cold and pale.
Romance! Wine you, dine you, suck you dry.
Writers have been stumped about how to make vampires more physically appealing rather than relying on their sophistication or air of mystery as a lure. Bloodlust is one way they do this. By making the thirst for blood an almost irrestibly urge they mimic sexual desire and blood is very erotic because it is red in color, like roses or the blush of a cheek.
Werewolves?
Too sexy for the shirts they have to rip to shreds when they transform.
The appeal is the primal, beastal, uncontrolled release of pent up emotional frustration that rips like a howl through the soul. Pure id. No rules. No restriction. No super-ego. When you are hungry you hunt! When you are angry you destroy! Fans get off on the freedom of unchecked desire. No, it's not pretty. Things break. Things like your favorite shirt or the neighbor's dog or maybe your boss. Who knows?
Nowadays, writers confuse werewolves with other shapeshifters. They give their werewolves control over their shapeshifting which nerfs the werewolf big-time because now transformation no longer carries the emotional weight that it did before. Now they can be cute and tame!
Vampires or Werewolves?
As with either creature, one of the key points is the intensity with which the creature is attracted to it's victim. Either a pale vampire or hairy werewolf has appeal because the victim knows the creature wants him or her. With a werewolf, the intensity is provided by knowing the wolf won't hold back. With a vampire, the intensity is provided by seduction into something you would not do.
Interestingly enough, this brings me back to the core question in the debate battle: which creature has more control over it's dark-side? Are the sexual desires of the creatures part of their dark-sides?
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who watches the most TV; teens and teens don't want to see old, dark styles of vampires vs werewolves, they want to see modern, attractive shows that they can sort of relate to.
examples: twilight, vampire diaries, being human and I am not saying these shows are not good because I am a big fan of v diaries and enjoyed the twilight books but they do not stick to the original styles of these creatures.
I am not saying they are wrong either because obviously they are not real or if they were, they aren't common knowledge so they depend on people perspective of them and how they represent vampire and werewolves.
However, back to the original point before I began rambling. Vampires are definitely more in control of their dark side, I mean come on,
its obvious: vampires throughout the entirety of filmography and books etc have being portrayed as strong, confident characters, usually selfish and bloodthirsty but they are still consciencely aware of what is happening and what they want.
they are, no matter what you say, evil and the whole side of the vampire is the darkside.
they may be addicted to blood and referring back to the anonymous comment on 'February 8th 2011 02:49' said 'they are just like drug addicted people'. they may depend on it and crave it but they cancontrol themselves usually unless certain circumstances are irresistible such as; they are starving and a human is in front of them pouring blood everywhere but they more a less have control.
Werewolves though are a little more tricky. although they have control when unchanged and can function as normal humans, they cannot at all when they have changed and refer back to a bestial state.
but a werewolf who is unchanged is not in control of their darkside, it is just laying dormant waiting for a trigger such as the full moon or a angry/stressful situations in which it will force its way out and take cnotrol of the person. with a werewolf, the human half remains in control 29/30 days of the time but only because the other side has no reason to want to come out but on that other day, it chooses to come out and it cannot be controlled, it takes control of you.
so to conclude; i would say a werewolf is more in control of itself whereas a vampire has more control over its darkside.
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Werewolves are the superior horror
Werewolf facts:
Unimaginable Strenght
Unimaginable Speed
Great Reflexes
Great Agility
Transform at will
Great Senses
Great Sense of Smell
Great sense of Hearing
Werewolvs can only be killed by Silver
Ohh see the full moon bullshit thts natural for werewolves...When full moon appears They only go Savage and they loose their minds...
Vampire has lots of weakness
Garlic
holy water
Cruxifix
Fire
Beheaded
and 1 more thing
No blood...they rot in agony and pain
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Werewolves don't necessarily know what they are doing because of the curse of the moon. When they transform into the beast, their minds go straight into instinct. They attack anyone, regardless if they want to or not. Werewolves don't know the difference between good and evil. Legend goes that if one scratches or marks you in any way, the curse is yours. You belong to the moon.
Vampires can change whoever they want. That's the beauty of their curse. They're sexy, immortal, lustfull creatures that stalk the oblivious night. Vampires' scents are seductive and alluring, whereas werewolves have a musky smell like wet dog or of the woods.
I think you understand which side I'm on. XD
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what do ya think about this so called vampire-werewolf connection?
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Clearly werewolves win every time.
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Obv Werewolf gonna win... its like this
Vampire thinks Acts Cocky wiv their mad Seducive things n more control over their dark power.
But when a vampire See a Werewolf its like Da Vampire Trembles in fear trying to rip its dick off n running like a lil bitch.
Even the oldest vampire Fears Werewolfs lol
When they class its like Mouse chase....Every single battle, a vampire always runs like a little bitch....While the Werewolfs like this "sit down little BITCH"
Werewolf is just 1 fucking MONSTER man
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a person can become a werewolf by being born a werewolf, bitten by a werewolf, cursed by someone you have wronged in some way, and being given the power threw sorcery. These are the only real ways. Silver bullets don't kill wolves they just cause them extra pain. the only way to kill them are to destory the brain or heart. they can talk to each other like regular wolves do and while new wolves may be affected by the moon older ones can controll it and change on command. these plus there increased power and speed makes them better then vamps and changing on command mean they have full control of there darkside.
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>>>>>>>>>>>Werewolves Rock!!!<<<<<<<<<<
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-A new anonymous.
P.S. If you're going to drink the blood might as well eat the rest right?
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Although, it's ears and smell could help since it is a dog, but it would still be tremendously hard for it to fight back. Tremendously.
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However the question of control would initialy go with the vamp ,if you are talking about victims, however both species have shown greater degrees of control if born to it and this covers the point of imortality a vamp even with more control would take a longer time to mature and theres the rub, in a much shorter span of time you would have A beinging with total control over its abiltys and born wolfs have been shown to maintain there inteligence,and agreeing with a point made ealier the pack mentality is a bond deeper than love which is an emotion I have never seen in any real vampire film or literature other than bram stokers original but even that isnt true love, modern films such as "twilight" are not in any way a good representation. Oh one last point on that film and book series the wolfs there ARE not lycan they are skin walkers different myth entirely , it even states that in the books.
Sorry to burst your bubble but wolfs are not just shown as a hero in werewolf in london I statelondon obviously ,theresthe modern wolfman were he shows remorse and vengence ie human in both forms, theres paris were he commits an act of vengence again the I resson state vengence as a sign of control is the thought behind it and the emotion behind that and I have seen many films were packs use milatry style manuvers and yes I can see how this could be attributed to instinct but what most of you fail to understand is that in nature the wolf pack is king of the hunt and wolf is one of the more intelligent of predators. As a human in the wild you would not outsmart a wolf for long it is your arrgance that makes you feel you could.There was a good point made also about the warring of the races it is fictional fact that a wolf is stronger, faster and quite frankly does more damage with a single blow than a vamp, in van helsing a wolf was the only thing that could truly kill Drakula and that to me proves one thing" the strongest of you all ,fears the shadow we cast so run flee,brothers of the bat myself or my bretherin with kill you all and rule this world with carnal lust",lol thought it sounded cool lol.I guess its quite obvious were my allegiance lies. I would hope Ive made my case flair and style but the points is moot the vamp may be the prince of darkness , but the wolf will be forever king.
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Both have long lives even if one can possiblely live forever tho they rarely do.
History has proved no empire lasts forever.
Evolution is key and vampire may grow in strength but It cant evolve.
lastly two beings equal in age , the vampire would fall.
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There a bad and good things about each monster.
Good things about a vampire:
They can seduce people
They can fly
They are smart
Good things about Werewolf's:
They are fast
They are more brutal when attacking
They can be a normal person throughout day and a menace at night
They can stay in the sunlight
Bad things about a vampire:
They cannot be in the sun
They do not look as scary as a werewolf
Bad things about a werewolf:
They cannot attack during the day well they can but not in their werewolf form
I think werewolf's are better for attacking
but vampires are better at seducing
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There a bad and good things about each monster.
Good things about a vampire:
They can seduce people
They can fly
They are smart
Good things about Werewolf's:
They are fast
They are more brutal when attacking
They can be a normal person throughout day and a menace at night
They can stay in the sunlight
Bad things about a vampire:
They cannot be in the sun
They do not look as scary as a werewolf
Bad things about a werewolf:
They cannot attack during the day well they can but not in their werewolf form
I think werewolf's are better for attacking
but vampires are better at seducing
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In the show Being Human, it is revealed that a werewolf's uh..."performance" is greatly increased before the full moon and especially right before transforming. They can rock your world.
On the other hand, a vampire is essentially dead, no blood flow, making it impossible for such activities, whether male or female.
A vampire might be sexier, but when it's time to perform, they got nothing to show.
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As for the last comment by G-Force, traditional vampires can turn into pretty much every being of the night. Bats, owls, prowling cats, even MIST. Vampires have mind control abilities to the point where even though they need to be invited to enter your house, they could easily turn you into a thrall and force you to invite them, or just make you offer your own blood then and there. Vampires have much more control over themselves than werewolves - which is the point in this debate - and if you've seen Van Helsing vampires can be alot more scary than puppies on two legs. Also, upon death werewolves become vampires, so there really is no winner is there?
My conclusion: Vampires are more dangerous, much more scary, and are in much better control of their dark side
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As for the last comment by G-Force, traditional vampires can turn into pretty much every being of the night. Bats, owls, prowling cats, even MIST. Vampires have mind control abilities to the point where even though they need to be invited to enter your house, they could easily turn you into a thrall and force you to invite them, or just make you offer your own blood then and there. Vampires have much more control over themselves than werewolves - which is the point in this debate - and if you've seen Van Helsing vampires can be alot more scary than puppies on two legs. Also, upon death werewolves become vampires, so there really is no winner is there?
My conclusion: Vampires are more dangerous, much more scary, and are in much better control of their dark side
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This is also true for vampires. I believe there is such a thing as blood lust which they must overcome. When a vampire is newly born it might not be known to then as to what they are, or even if they had died. Their ability's might not be known to them in the first place.
For werewolves on the other hand, it's quite obvious...sometimes too obvious.
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This is also true for vampires. I believe there is such a thing as blood lust which they must overcome. When a vampire is newly born it might not be known to then as to what they are, or even if they had died. Their ability's might not be known to them in the first place.
For werewolves on the other hand, it's quite obvious...sometimes too obvious.
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WEREWOLVES RULE!!
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Wolves and dogs breed quite often
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Wolves and dogs breed quite often
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Wolves are like dogs in most ways more so than humans and apes. Six million years of evolution or the grace of heaven or both seperate humans and apes depending on your beliefs. Wolves and dogs can and do breed all the time
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but getting back to a point i made awhile ago geneiolagy not being the issue in this debate, if this was tobe taken as a literal question are we descussing the natural supposed abiltes of the being ie werewolves and vampires , or are the "supernatural" magics of the beings tobe taken into consideration.
The resson i ask this is becouse both beings in some literature are given these "supernatural" powers usualy in books that have religious overtones so yes they can have poweres other than there natural gifts but at a price.
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Let's go with the real pros and cons from the creatures, I will take again the original ones from the OP and add a few more for both, again there is no definite answer for this, because in the end anyone can think and like whatever they want.
Vampires:
Pros:
- Immortal
- They in most cases chose their victims and are more in control of their inner beast.
- Charming, seductive, intiguing side.
- Attractive to most people.
- Smarter, in most cases.
- Wide variety of dark, even demonic powers, like mind control, shapeshifting, supernatural speed, control over certain elements, premotion, etc, etc.
Cons:
- Restricted to night only.
- They are undead creatures and very often, unable to hide it.
- Rely only on drinking blood to survive.
- Very vulnerable and their power becomes extremely dimished when they are unable to feed.
- Generally have many, many, many more weaknesses than Werewolves.
Werewolves:
Pros:
- Extremely strong and fast.
- Natural hunters in both urban environments and natural hunting grounds.
- Hot-blooded, non-undead mystical creatures.
- Very keen and smart in some cases.
- Impervious to almost all kinds of damage.
- Not vulnerable to sun.
- Some of them able to shapeshift even in sunlight.
Cons:
- Most of them are not in control of themselves when transformed.
- Bestial by nature.
- They carry a curse.
- Unattractive to most people.
- In most cases controled by the moon phases.
In general, Vampires have a lot more weaknesses than Werewolves, Werewolves are stronger and faster and on a 1 on 1 fight the Vampire will always lose. Even in literature and media, whenever they fight, the Vampire must always run or dies. However the Vampire is widely accepted as an elegant, seductive creature, they can use most humans at will and even throw them against Werewolves when they can't fight them.
I for one go for with the Werewolves because they are a 1000 times more badass than Vampires, the usual picture of vampires is very unattractive to me, very unreal, extremely self absorved and selfish, things that I find repulsive, besides, drinking blood, that's just disgusting.
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Vamps are always dipicted as having vast stores of human minions and vulnerabilities are debateable.
For instance in some old movies a vampire killed with a stake can be brought back to life by removing the stake, Were wolves can be brought low by wolvesbane.....I think in the end the powers and numbers and minions of vamps would win out
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Vamps are always dipicted as having vast stores of human minions and vulnerabilities are debateable.
For instance in some old movies a vampire killed with a stake can be brought back to life by removing the stake, Were wolves can be brought low by wolvesbane.....I think in the end the powers and numbers and minions of vamps would win out
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I dont debate the idea that vampires are evil they prey on people they eat them I just debate the idea that werewolves are somehow better. The center or the werewolf myth is its connection with the wolf. There is no debate in an animals mind. If they think they can kill you without great harm they will and when they restrain themselves it is out of fear or uncertainty.
The inner tormoil you speak of is a human characteristic and is the sole provence of the sentient calm mind. Hedonism is a choice to avoid morality for the sake of sensual enjoyment also a provence of the sentient mind not the passionate beast. Vampires may not feel as they once did but they can make the choice to intellectually embrace those ideas..the wolf is a beast when transformed and cannot make such a choice he is animal on two legs a beast with a fore brain nothing more. His brain is a primal calculator of force not a choice maker.
The werewolf is passionate evil and the vamp is cold distant evil its a simple as that.
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I dont debate the idea that vampires are evil they prey on people they eat them I just debate the idea that werewolves are somehow better. The center or the werewolf myth is its connection with the wolf. There is no debate in an animals mind. If they think they can kill you without great harm they will and when they restrain themselves it is out of fear or uncertainty.
The inner tormoil you speak of is a human characteristic and is the sole provence of the sentient calm mind. Hedonism is a choice to avoid morality for the sake of sensual enjoyment also a provence of the sentient mind not the passionate beast. Vampires may not feel as they once did but they can make the choice to intellectually embrace those ideas..the wolf is a beast when transformed and cannot make such a choice he is animal on two legs a beast with a fore brain nothing more. His brain is a primal calculator of force not a choice maker.
The werewolf is passionate evil and the vamp is cold distant evil its a simple as that.
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Now i know that most of us believe that werewolves are people who are turned into horrific creatures. Lots of them are hairy with grotesque, humanoid features and a wolfs face and claws and tail.
However, because werewolves are mythical and their true form is not known, this is my belief:
i think that werewolves are created by either a bite or being born one. A werewolf may turn and go on a rampage during its first few full moons but once they have gained more control they will be able to not only know when its going to happen but also they may find other werewolves and create or join a pack. I also believe that werewolves do not turn into a hairy humanoid shape walking on its hind legs. (and definitely not the slimy furless "thing" from harry potter). i believe that they take the shape of a regular old wolf. also, whereas vampires can only come out in night time, werewolves are any time and they are pretty much normal besides the whole... changing into a wolf thing.
(i got most of my ideas from the books of The Mortal Instruments series by Cassandra Clare.)
then i would also like to ask... WHY ARE WEREWOLVES AND REGULAR WOLVES THE ASSHOLES/VILLAINS IN ALL MOVIES AND MOST BOOKS????????
go wolves!
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3.THEY AWSOME!
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THE WINNER OF THIS DEBATE IS:
VAMPIRES
sorry werewolf fans but I think I'll stick to vampires.
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Then suddenly, one of them jumps next to you and grabs and tear you apart without even a second thought and you don't even realize what is happening to you. Best luck to die fast and don't see how they eat the flash from your broken bones.
But that is country werewolf way... a city type would go hunting solo.
Following you on the street with the hood pulled over the face, making it more scary, then your heart start beating fast, pumping the fear in every part of you body. And they like the fear when they hunt. In the end, when you get home, it breaks in, turn into the beast and start playing with you around, until you get tired and fall on the ground, and then... it start devouring you, and always looking in your eyes, wanting to tell you: I have win.
But! It doesn't mean all of them are savage human-flash eaters. Thous two scenarios were meant to show how would be to encounter werewolves. A person who accepted the situation would have more control... .
P.S. In the city type scenario I was speaking about a lone alpha wolf.
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