Debate Battle! VAMPIRES or WEREWOLVES?
December 3rd 2007 03:20
Which creature is more in control of their dark side: vampires or werewolves?
These infamous creatures of horror have been terrifying and fascinating us for centuries; the fetid undead and the hirsute lycanthrope. Each has their own different folklores from culture to culture, but essentially the mythology remains the same. Those elements of menace are uniform when it comes down to brass bloody tacks.
But which supernatural creature is less afflicted and, perhaps, more dangerous? Is one, ultimately, more evil than the other? Obviously the vampire and the werewolf can be ferocious and lethal, but how do they keep the shadow in check? Are they able to control it at all?
Here are just a few things to consider, although they are not the final word, and are, obviously, open to conjecture.
Vampires
For:
~ They are immortal
~ They choose their victims specifically, often with intent
~ They are famous for their dark charm and seduction technique
Against:
~ They are undead
~ They are nocturnal
~ They rely on drinking blood for survival
Werewolves:
For:
~ They are hot-blooded with animal instincts
~ They are not afraid of sunlight
~ Some species of lycanthrope can transform at will
Against:
~ They carry a curse
~ Most are governed by the phase of the moon
~ They are bestial by nature
So, what do you think? Where does your opinion and/or argument lie?
1) The debate will take place via comments in response to the official debate post on the host blog.
2) Anyone can participate.
3) You can take either side of an argument regardless of your actual views. In fact you are encouraged to take the other side now and again, it's mind expanding.
4) Insults are to be witty and in good humor. Apart from that stick to arguing about the facts.
5) Anonymous comments are discouraged.
Werewolf illustration Copyright © Paul Mudie, 2008 All rights reserved.
These infamous creatures of horror have been terrifying and fascinating us for centuries; the fetid undead and the hirsute lycanthrope. Each has their own different folklores from culture to culture, but essentially the mythology remains the same. Those elements of menace are uniform when it comes down to brass bloody tacks.
But which supernatural creature is less afflicted and, perhaps, more dangerous? Is one, ultimately, more evil than the other? Obviously the vampire and the werewolf can be ferocious and lethal, but how do they keep the shadow in check? Are they able to control it at all?
Here are just a few things to consider, although they are not the final word, and are, obviously, open to conjecture.
Vampires
For:
~ They are immortal
~ They choose their victims specifically, often with intent
~ They are famous for their dark charm and seduction technique
Against:
~ They are undead
~ They are nocturnal
~ They rely on drinking blood for survival
Werewolves:
For:
~ They are hot-blooded with animal instincts
~ They are not afraid of sunlight
~ Some species of lycanthrope can transform at will
Against:
~ They carry a curse
~ Most are governed by the phase of the moon
~ They are bestial by nature
So, what do you think? Where does your opinion and/or argument lie?
1) The debate will take place via comments in response to the official debate post on the host blog.
2) Anyone can participate.
3) You can take either side of an argument regardless of your actual views. In fact you are encouraged to take the other side now and again, it's mind expanding.
4) Insults are to be witty and in good humor. Apart from that stick to arguing about the facts.
5) Anonymous comments are discouraged.
Werewolf illustration Copyright © Paul Mudie, 2008 All rights reserved.
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Comment by Cibbuano
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I've never seen the appeal of werewolves, even as a kid. Changing into a wolf just doesn't seem that terrifying to me... maybe I'm watching the wrong movies?
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As far as being the more scary, I would have to say Vampires as well. I think I would have more of a chance of tricking a non-thinking beast rather than a smart vamp. Also they can fly which is pretty cool, and makes it much harder to get away.
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I will have to go with werewolves. I think I have told you of my penchant for them, Bryn? It's because of Angela Carter's dark and depraved yet sensuous and sardonic stories. A lot from The Bloody Chamber feature werewolves or some twist on associated legends and folktales, and I can't get enough of them.
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Comment by Damo
Whereas the Vampires are the used car salesmen of the undead. They are smug and snobbish, polite only to get what they want.. You can just picture Dracular saying his coffin was only used by a little old lady who drove it to church on Sundays.
Here is the problem. Werewolve are macho and masuline but they never seem to have much in the way of she-werewolves. However just like used car salesmen the vampires have hot babes all over the place.
Comment by Bryn
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I'm with you there ... Vampires do have the sensual element down pat, but actually, there's an untapped animalistic sexuality about werewolves I'm intrigued by (I'm working on ideas for a screenplay ...) The Company of Wolves was a great movie (I haven't read the story though) ...
Damo, sensational comments! Excellent work! Brilliant analogies too!
The debate is hotting up indeed!!!
Comment by Mountain Fog
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They both chomp on your neck, usually uninvited.
They both either kill you, or enslave you to become one of them.
They both transform, so each has a dormant, safe time.
They are both victims and perpetrators.
They enjoy their work, when it's happening.
And I could go on...but then...no one would be bothered reading what I had said.
So, the real turnoffs...it has to be the hairy one, I mean, all you get from a Werewolf is a fanging, fleas and hair on your clothing...but I guess it is fair to say, who would care about clothing with your neck ripped open?
I go for the Vampire; he is human like, sophisticated, usually, has a sense of seduction and can deliver his moment of truth, with some sensual subtlety...unless you pissed him off..or her..sorry.
Of course, I share my bed every night with a small and slightly rotund "Were-pug", but we keep to our own kind!
cheers
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*lol* still laughing at Damo's comment too much to make one of my own, but it was pretty much along those lines.
Vampires do everything with a premeditated sensuality, wharewolves seem victims of circumstance, but I love their wildness and honesty. However, I am a fickle woman where ghouls and demons are concerened, and wiill probably change my mind tomorrow, anyway.
Hard decision.
Lilla ...
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That said I tend to side with the often Armani-clad debanaire types who oft have a penchant for either the gorgeous gals or the pin-up lads.
To say I'm a bit of a sucker for that kind of thing would be too horrible a pun though.
MNG
Comment by Damo
Vampires might look neat and party like it is Translavania 1999 but would you let your daughter go out with one?
No me, no way. nu uh!
Atleast with a
bikiewerewolf what you see is what you get. They may be rough on the outside but I bet they treat their mothers well. If only they would wash their clothes more often.Vampires are that sickly super nice guy who is just to friendly to trust. I hate
used-car salesmenreal-estate agentsvampires who suck the life out of you before running off with your daughter. When she finnally gets to his castle she find it is a dump and he has a surprize for her. Meet my other wifes. If I wanted that for my daughter I would move to the southern states of the USA.Comment by Ahmed
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Not to put too light a spin on your circumstance, but it sounds like you've already had your first vampire bite . . .that's okay my friend, traditionally it takes three bites before you join the walking dead and become a vampire yourself...
You might try a warewolf next, their bite is more honest and heals quicker.
Lilla ...
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The question, if I'm not mistaken, was which is more in control of his/her darkside? That really depends on the movie/story in question. I am a sucker (no pun intended) for vampire flicks.
Honestly, I don't think either has much control over his/her darkside, unless you want to talk about a movie like Teen Wolf. In the scary ones, neither vampires nor werewolves have much control.
I guess, if I had to choose, I'd say werewolves, because they are only dark when there is a full moon. Vampires, on the other hand, are always that way.
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While werewolves are okay for most of the month. Come full moon time, Werewolves have no control over their actions.
So to me, I think vamps are more in control.
The exception to that of course would be newly made vamps. Apparently they don't have much control over themselves. But I guess new werewolves probably don't either.
And I really like that we're debating this as though both are totally real and that we're all practically experts!!
Comment by Bryn
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I'm with you there ... vampires are in control of themselves, generally speaking, for most of the time, except perhaps when they become desperate for blood ... whilst werewolves once they've transformed as ravaging beasts of prey, unable to rationalise between what is good or evil. Vampires know they're evil and generally relish it, like its a gift. Although there are the vampires who behave like their immortality is a curse, and they are afllicted, therefore have no control over the darkness that rules their lives.
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Well, as the Debate Fan, I guess I will defend the less popular side and say that werewolves are more in control of their dark side than vampires are.
I cite the following, from literature and movies:
1) In "An American werewolf in London", David (main character/werewolf) was remorseful when he learned of the people he'd killed. Also, at the end scene when Alex (his love interest) is calling to him and crying in a dead-end alley, he doesn't attack her while she speaks to him. At the end he makes a suicidal leap at the large gathering of police, knowing they will kill him. He had also called home prior to this and said his goodbyes to his family, a sure sign of him making the decision to commit suicide ahead of time. That all shows some degree of control over one's dark side.
2) In Stephen King's excellent vampire novel, "Salem's Lot", the vampires seem to have no qualms about luring their own spouses, children, and other loved ones to the same fate they themselves suffer. There is no evidence of any vampires "fighting the urge" to save even their own children from becoming one of the undead. That shows a decided lack of control.
Counterpoint anyone?
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Point One:
One movie an argument doth not make!
So, to argue for the werewolf, by citing the behaviour of one werewolf in "An American Werewolf In London", seems a little trite, a little shallow, a little lacking in historical depth and precedent.
One could also cite the majority of werewovles in the same film, as proving they lack any remorse, compassion or will to discontinue their antics, and that the actions of a lone (hero)werewolf were, at best, an anomaly and probably the result of a contaminated spirit and so not representative of werewolves per se.
To argue against the majority, one would have to cite many more instances in many other films, going back to the original werewolf film itself, that being; "The Werewolf":
The Werewolf is a 1913 silent short that was the first werewolf film made, directed by Henry MacRae. Although the film was destroyed, in a fire in 1924, the script survived, by Ruth Ann Baldwin, and it was based on the short story The Werewolves by Henry Beaugrand.
Plot Summary of The Werewolf:
A Navajo woman becomes a witch after erroneously coming to believe that her husband has abandoned her. She teaches the same skills to her daughter Watuma, who transforms into a wolf in order to carry out vengeance against the invading white settlers. Then, 100 years after Watuma's death, she returns from the dead to kill again.
Hardly the stuff of a conscience laden werewolf hell bent on self sacrifice!
Point Two:
DArmenta's defence, as it stands, portrays the werewolf as the only victim, but, were they not all victims at one point, both werewolf and vampire?
Point Three:
To attempt to whitewash all werewolves, by citing the American Werewolf and his suicide, is both incorrect and disingenuous. Although pitiable, even heroic, the decision was one of self inflicted death, it was not suicide, it was actually an act of "self murder", for he deems it best to kill the 'beast' to save another, and that beast is himself. By the way, "self murder" has been acknowledged in a NSW coronial inquiry.
Point Four:
Although I bow to those of a greater in-depth knowledge of werewolves, I suggest that they not only lack reason for their violent onslaughts, they also lack the ability to lessen the suffering of their vicitms and to distinguish between the small and defenseless, even their own family, unlike vampires.
In Conclusion:
The vast majority, if not all werewolves, before the American youngster werewolf, have killed their families, and other defenseless innocent victims of all age groups. The fact that they may beg to be tied up and locked away before they transform, that they may warn their families to lock themselves away from harm, that they may feel attrition once they are human again, is of no consequence.
For it is their actions as a werewolf that count. And as already stated, as evidenced in every werewolf film before An American Werewolf in London, their actions are brutal, violent and undiscerning, or caring, for whomever they attack, or the suffering they inflict.
I rest my case Your Honour, Lord Bryn!
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sure having sex is great but think this
you are not all ways a vampire and some werewolves chicks have to be hot, so bang them
also werewolves has less ways to die than vampires
you have to special create the weapon to kill a werewolf but to kill a vampire all have to go is to wal-mart to get the weapons, best and cheapest is falshlight, another thing vampires cant go into a building without first being invited, also there has to be ugly vampire chicks
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I do believe that vampires are more in controll of their dark sides because I personally have wittnessed much more stories of wolf like creatures that can walk like humans, more so than hearing of a strange neck wound that consists of two wounds, and the victim being completly drained of blood. I do believe though in my opinion, werewolfs are filthy, disburing, mean, and smell like dog. yuck!
Vampires are suductive, beautiful, dark, sinister, and can be loving and caring.
Werewolves can be loving and caring although they are very vilolent.
I am not compleltly taking one side, but Vampires appeal to me more so than dogs.
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p.s. i love reading i really liked the lord of the rings
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Werewolves might not be able to control themselves when they transform, but at least they have remorse later on. But vampires are in control the whole time and know exactly what they do and don't care. They are purely evil.
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The more gruesome weres are-the better
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Comment by Bryn
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I do love vampirism (Bram Stoker's Dracula is one of my favourite novels), but I'm very partial to lycanthropy ... something very carnal and primal about them, and they look far more menacing, although I was impressed with the look of the vamps in 30 Days of Night.
So what are your favourite werewolf movies then?
Cheers for the blog props too!
Comment by wolfgirl
I've never seen any really scary vampire movies either. My friend said she was reading the book, I am Legend, which the movie was based off, and in the book the infected people were actually more like vampires than rabid zombies.
Was 30 Days of Nights creepy? I saw some girls complaining that the vampires in the movie weren't sexy, hahaha
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yeah The Howling rocks. So does An American Werewolf in London and Dog Soldiers.
I loved the novel I Am Legend, I'm reticent in seeing the movie ... I wish Ridley Scott had managed to make it back in the 90s, but the project was scuttled ...
30 Days of Night was very good, some sensational special effects and pretty hideous vamps ... my papa was in it too, he's the first victim, the old guy who gets his head ripped off !
Comment by Wolfie
Other side Werewolves human-like except fullmoon. When transformed all physical traits drastic increese and all mental traits decreese. Learning to control their curse over time, making them able to change to wolf form at will, and regaing control of their actions when transformed.
I'm i big werewolf fan, and say screw vamps
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Although Warewolves are able to take control of their powers after a while they still die, as a result they must regularly introduce new members to heard. Whereas Vampires, being immortal do not need to add to their group once they deem them selves strong enough. So while the foolish MORTAL!! werewolves are biting everyone human in sight just to keep their group going, Vampires can carefully choose new initiates without having to make any hasty decisions.
Counter argue that, FUR BALLS!!
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Are you a lycathrope?
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I am specialy against werewolfs because they are more often than not very brutal and aggressive.
Vampires are the perfect creatures of the night!
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However, this doesn't mean that werewolves are more to blame for their actions. A vampire does not lose all self-control in its permanent dark side state like a werewolf does. If a vampire chooses to act in an evil manner, surely this is less excusable than a werewolf losing all self-control whether they like it or not? How can a werewolf embrace its violent transformation, when (I assume!) they are barely conscious of what they are doing in that state? Vampires can come to terms with their existence, are consciously aware of what theyre doing and CHOOSE their actions.
I think the question of sexuality is an interesting one. A vampire is manipulative, charming, making you submit to their will through their powers of seduction. I have not come across references to werewolf sexuality in any books or films... A werewolf, in wolf form, is obviously uncontrollable, a whirlwind of unbridled fury. But when in human form, I think a werewolf would still contain that bestial, raw power, which has the potential to be far more exciting... vampires play games, werewolves are blunt and brutal, but honest. They make no excuses for what they are.
I think the fact that werewolves have less control over their dark side has a much greater sexual appeal... who knows what could happen...
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And I quake from head to feet.
For this night I know, in the town below,
A werewolf prowls the street.
He stalks with stealth and cunning
In his search for a soul to eat.
With matted hair, and jaws that tear,
A werewolf prowls the street.
His face is filled with fury
As his brain cries out for meat.
And, oh, his prey shall not see day
For the werewolf prowls the street.
So I shake beneath my covers
And I shiver in my sheets,
And I cower in my bed, with a pillow on my head,
As the werewolf prowls the street.
Comment by Anonymous
He feels the pain of splitting skin
The rage that bursts out from within
The rage that courses through his veins
Through which he channels all his pain
The hunter, released from ancient bonds
Tastes the blood for which he longs
Freinds, family, they all mean naught
This life is new, with danger fraught
Gaia, the Earth Mother, blesses them all
In return they answer her call
A call to arms, defeat the Wyrm
To succeed there is much to learn
Control the anger, harness the rage
The ancient force, the curse of ages
So now he welcomes the rage within
This rage, once bidden, beneath his skin.
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Dark is the night,
the full moon haunts the sky
and haunts my spirit
and my body.
And moonlight shrouds my soul
in pain and rage.
Dark is the night,
in shadows I will hide
and yearn for healing
and for silence.
And when there is no rest
I think of death.
Dark is the night,
and cursed by a bite′s
my life, forever
I′ll be damned.
And love I′ll always shun –
it′s for the best.
Dark is the night,
alone I′m on the run.
In silent moonlight
there′s a shadow,
and blood drips from his claws
like ruby rain.
Now dawns the day,
my memory awakes
and I am moaning
for my victim-
the body, pale and crimson
′neath my feet.
Falls now the night,
the new moon dark and black.
And I am fleeing
from this place,
from this village and the people
I called home.
Comment by Mystic
Werewolves...they kill just the same, they love the chase and mess with your mind until you can't take it anymore. You may think that they're just stupid dogs but some are smarter than humans.
I admit that vampires have more intellect than werewolves but I don't see how intelligence has to do with being in control of your dark side. It all depends on the type of vampire...or even werewolf.
That's my belief.
Mystic
Comment by Anonymous
First the werewolves in the Twilight series by Stephanie meyer are quite in tuned to their human side even when in the wolf form. They also do not attack humans but are created specifically to fight against vampires.
And second what about the legend of Bisclavret? In this legend the werewolf remains a faithfull companion to the king and never attacks any one until his former wife, and betrayer, comes to court. This suggests they can control their darker side and also suggests they stay connected to their former life.
So, here's two examples do with them what you will.
Comment by Anonymous
Some of them even knowns necromancy, a trait giving them infinitly more power, being able to raise vast armies of skeletions, ghouls, zombies and other dead stuff. The werewolf is often described as the equal of a vampire, with a different life, but equal in power. But they never gets powers to rival necromancy, save a small gift of gaining the trust of animals, particulary wolwes. This points out that vampires got more control of their share of power.
The vampire can also do much more than the mad werewolfs, and while appearing sligthly easier to kill, they are not.
Okay, a child might kill a vampire with the right weapons and a little luck, but only certain things can hurt the monster. a werewolf can be killed by anything containing considerable power. Add the other stuff and you got the true lord of the night.
Vampires 4eva! (or better yet, not...)
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But in my opnion neither of these creaters are immortal because if look at certain movies, which many of you have, you will find that both species have counters. The movie Underworld is a prime example: UV (ultra violet) bullets and silver nitrate bullets were very effective against them.
Comparing werewolfs to vampires is like apples to oranges. Although if they did fight each other a werewolf would win in hand to hand combat and a vampire at longer range.
Thus no one is better each with their own strenghts and weaknesses. All that matters is opinion. And when you finally figure out which is better. You have to ask your self one more question.
Is it better than Chuck Norris?
didn't think so!
Comment by eVE
If you were to make a being out of these 2 it would have been the perfect "in control of it's dark side" creature!!
I believe that they both have the same amount of darkness in them, that depending from witch side are you looking.
I do favor vampires for the sensuality, the perfect definition of the 2 sexes, the sharp fangs, the cold and lifeless body, the mystique...that being of course for their identity with humans...
But werewolves are none the less below what I said. Every human has an animalic part in them that gets out now and then in rages of fury. So werewolves represent that part, when you transcend into another being/an animal.
p.s.: Bryn I blame you for having that idiotically book as a favorite...
I'm from Romania and besides that the book is very bad written, it casts a bad shadow on my country. And as a surplus in it's stupidity, people actually believe that we live like that, and believe that Romania has only rocky mountains and blood drinking peasants...and so on!
To say the truth Bram Stoker didn't even actually come to Romania, he wrote the book in Ireland!
Comment by impartial Anonymous
you hit the nail right on it's head
another though, why if vampires and werewolfs are so much (for the lack of a better word) "better" than humans in the aspects of strenght, agility and cunning. why did we devolp weapons to kill these creatures. This proves once again that humanity is the most advanced killing machine created, intended or not. We are constatly finding better ways to kill things. So are vampires and werewolfs really that "evil". Or do we just need to look onto ourselfs to find the true monsters, that maybe werewolfs and vampires were modeled after.
Don't get me wrong, there were great people in this world like Mother Teresa and Jesus and Gandi who thought of every way to rid the world
of killing. But just think for a moment about what I said.
Sorry about getting so off the topic of the post.
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However, I think that vampires probably do have more control over their dark side, especially if we're looking at more contemporary fiction ideals. They seem to keep a free will, though most of them are supposed to be the embodiment of evil & don't really care anyway.
But if you read into the actual origin legends of werewolves, they're a lot different than in modern fiction. Some of them were put under curses by witches or sorcerers, some were witches or sorcerers doing Satan's deeds, & others were warriors for God, fighting the agents of Hell to keep Earth safe. Except for those who were cursed, most of them were supposed to be fully aware of what they were doing & could definitely control their animal form. However, the cursed ones are said to have little control & were supposed to kill those they loved most first. So the question of how much power over their dark side did they have could go either way.
In most myths, werewolves were incredibly intelligent & sometimes immortal, giving them some abilities similar to those of vampires. I don't know all that much about vampire folklore, simply because I've never been very interested. However, I do know that most tales portrayed them as very ugly & corpse-like, more like zombies than the suave guys we see in movies today. So yeah, not quite so sexy. Give me wolfish, carnal desires any day.
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I'm from Romania and besides that the book is very bad written, it casts a bad shadow on my country. And as a surplus in it's stupidity, people actually believe that we live like that, and believe that Romania has only rocky mountains and blood drinking peasants...and so on!
To say the truth Bram Stoker didn't even actually come to Romania, he wrote the book in Ireland!
Each to their own as far as liking or disliking fiction. Personally I really enjoyed the letter/diary style of prose in which Bram Stoker wrote Dracula, and I think some of the imagery he invoked was brilliantly effective. Who cares if he wrote it in Ireland or Timbuktu ... I wrote a screenplay and set in Spain, yet I'm a New Zealander living in Australia. And one would be silly to think of Romania in a bad light simply because one novelist decided to set a horror movie in a certain country. What about director Eli Roth and setting Hostel in Slovakia ... again, you'd have to be naive to think Slovakia is Torture Central.
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I think werewolves are the bomb, b/c even though there is this "killer instinct" inside of them, depending on what culture protrays them, they are animals, and animals love their partners or their pack with an intensity that no vampire nor human can ever come close to.
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Your text goes hereYour text goes hereYour text goes hereYour text goes here[COLOR=Fuchsia][SIZE=7]i think that i would have to go with the vampires to because they are in more controll of thare dark side when werwolfs they dont chose what they eat they just eat anthing that they come in contact with so vampires pin point thare food and they also don't eat just to eat they only eat because they need to be able to live.they also can controll what they do unlike werwolfs who don't know what they are doing or what they are eating.Comment by Jackay
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gah at vampires
actually
i dont mind vampires
but werewolves are better
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Excellent post on vampirism mirroring sexuality btw ...
I made my own vampire movie fifteen years ago in my home town of Wellington, NZ, called Penumbra. Labour of love, following the plight of a young woman as she slowly changes into a vampire, from the living to the undead. It's deeply flawed but has some great imagery and tone in places.
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i find the way myths evolve based on real life medical or mental conditions to be really interesting, like how stories about the local reclusive alcoholic or drug user who may have skin photosensitivity or eye photophobia has so many tall tales about them they are turned into a monster . . . they may have suffered from what we now diagnose as bi-polar, psychosis, depression, agoraphobia, or multiple personality disorder
ive probably watched much more films than what ive read
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for 1 we can stay in sunlight in out uhman form
while some [im not tlaking about blade] cant take it for only a few seconds [ive been reaserching]
and its hard to find 100% real silver tahn getting a pieace of wood and putting it into a vampires heart
you really gotta think about this stuff
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Now on to the werewolves being "bestial" and not in control of their actions. All portrayals of this has been based on the assumption that wolves are beasts that have no control over themselves... which couldn't be farther from the truth. Wolves travel, and hunt in a pack, which requires some sort of control and organization. A literal translation of the word werewolf simply means "man wolf" were being the anglo word for man. that being said, werewolves are much like men, and much like wolves. both can be incredibly brutal, and both can be incredibly loving. both are generally social animals, wolves travel in packs, so do people. A wolf pack chooses which animal it will take down very carefully, much as a human hunter would choose his/her own victim, so, really... who's to say that a werewolf has no control over their attacks? I think a werewolf, if truly were a "man-wolf" would be in complete control of his/her actions.
I think this is the exact opposite with vampires. According to the mythology, many people accused of vampirism were said to feed on their friends and families at night, meaning, they attacked those who were just the most accessible at the moment, and taking no time to carefully select anything.
when it comes down to it, if you wanted to put it into a real-world context, werewolves would be much more in control than vampires. Because after all, wolves are very intelligent, and man is very intelligent, so it would only be logical to assume that a man-wolf would be intelligent. vampires however must die to become a vampire. meaning all brain functions would cease leaving only the primal need to feed, much like a zombie.
Anyway, this is my argument on the matter.
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I was in the middle of watching 30 Days of Night as I posted my previous comment.... Actually that was the reason I found this blog in the first place. But one thing I found interesting about that movie was how little the vampires were like vampires, and how much they actually were like werewolves. Even in their movements a lot of times. Which is exactly why I like that movie. They worked as a pack, they stalked, like wolves, they communicated with various howls and shrieks... even made use of claws to kill, instead of just neck bighting. Of course there were several other factors that make them seem more like werewolves than vampires... really the only thing I can think of that was vampiristic about them at all, was the fact that they fed on blood, and were allergic to the sun. Pretty much everything else about them was quite lycanthropic. But thats just my assessment of the film.
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As much as I love vampirism, I'm probably more of a fan of lycanthropy. Not sure why exactly ... I do love wolves, more than bats, so that's probably a strong factor. Curiously I don't think there are many truly excellent movies of each sub-genre ... What are your favourites?
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I haven't seen An American Werewolf in Paris, but I heard it was dreadful and it didn't look very good from the small bits I did see ... I didn't like I Am Legend at all, but then I loved the novel.
I've reviewed most of my favourite werewolf and vampire movies ... There's a title/word search option up on the left hand side of the blog if you're keen to dip in a little deeper ...
I'm keen to read up more on lycnathropy definitely! I'll keep an eye out for that book. Any others you'd recommend?
And cheers for the comment on my papa, I'll definitely tell him. He's originally a stage actor and used to be head tutor of the New Zealand Drama School.
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Werewolves, on the other hand, contain the original human mind, and a chaotic animal mind that do battle. The human is more in control in a werewolf, because there is a human mind to be in control.
Why is it that in nearly any fantasy or horror where there are both vampires and werewolves, the vampires are more powerful?
I tend to think vampires are overdone. Werewolves have suffered from bad movie adaptations with "wolfmen" who are humans in makeup. Werewolves that actually turn into wolves are cooler.
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the autumn full moon shines to confirm control.
the beast claws out from deep within,
my want succeeds my will and once again.
this ain't no myth,no fairy tale.
my scream becomes the howl i know to well.
now change my life from all i'v known,
and find the beast that hinds in my sole,
so then i'll find new truths strong and in my youth,
and take me where the werewolves roam.
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(other) Anon, no I don't, but would love to play one. Perhaps I should create one ..... Hmmmm.
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Plus, I've met my fair share of bloodthirsty, ugly male werewolf characters on forums, but I've also met cold, beautiful female alpha werewolves, and sexy wolf babes involved in tempestuous, often forbidden relationships with humans, and rogue werewolves roaming NYC looking for trouble, etc. It's all so earthy and involved, you know? Being an all-knowing, seductive, killer vamp is all very nice, but it's so boring. x.x
Then again, that's just my opinion. I've never actively, seriously researched creatures of the night. So yah.
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I am a fellow werewolf believer. I think that there are werewolves and vampires are still around. Is this true?
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can be killed with the substance mercury as well as
silver.
Also there are two types of werewolfs one which to me is common is spiritual a wolf spirt lives along with a human spirt this causes a mental shift where the person takes on the aspect of the wolf this one is control able. The second is the one protrayed in many movies and books.
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But a human with a dragon spirt.
Im am ten .
I hope that should point out any questions.
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I side with Were wolfs because in human form they can use that time to use to the werewolfs advantige
for example a can pelt him self in garlic with is one of the vampires weaknesses.Also werewolfs can chase a vampire if the werewolf get in range.The vampires cances are slim to none. While if a vampire plays his cards right the werewolf will end up in some form of vampire torture.
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In the ocean sea on the island Buyan,
in the open plain,
shines the moon upon an aspen stump,
into the green wood,into the spreading
vale.
Around the stump goas a shaggy wolf;
under his teeth are all the horned cattle;
but into the wood the wolf does not;
in the vale the wolf not roam.
Moon,moon! Gold horned moon!
Melt the bullet,blult the knife,rot the
cudgel,
strike fear into man,beast, and reptile,
so that they may not sieze the gray wolf,
nor tear from his warm hide.
My word is firm, fimer than sleep
or the strength of heroes.
This was not writen by me.
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werewolves are only changed by the moon the first time or two...
we blend in easily with the society of humans...
the homeless are not noticed when missing....
the cold ones cannot escape the fire ...whether by light or by claw and fang....
which wins in a fight to the death : A calculating superhuman that wastes time planning or an angry human that has given himself to the wild so he doesnt have to think only do..with lethal efficiancy
VAMPIRES...ARE....NEARLY... EXTINCT...
We lycan thropes are thriving!!!!!!!
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Also about werewolfs weeknesses
they have regeneterave abilities witch means that
gun fire will not nessasarily stop it once "killed"
it must be burned.
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1. In terms of control, who would you choose?
A pale white undead guy that knows what he's doing and loves it? Or a creature of the night that is unaware of what he does, and is often innocent?
2. In terms of ingenuity, vamps rely too much on weaponry while wolves are adaptable. Wolves use their own specialities, and anything in front of them to attack.
3. In terms of weakness, Wolves win cause in a Vamp-Wolf war, the wolves can wait for day and then stab the sleeping vamps or pull them out into the sun. Also, the materials needed for killing vamires are easily found while pure silver is actually really rare these days, unless youre in a museum. Wolfsbane is hard to get as well.
4. In terrms of raw power, we all know anyway that werewolves are pretty much living raw power themselves, while vamps are just youre stronger than average human.
5. As for sexuality, well... some she-werewolves are sure to be hot at day right, plus the fact they wont attack you since its day. while she-vamps are hot, (NOT ALL!) they might as well drain you on the spot if they see you strutting around at night.
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the time will come... when humanity belongs to the wild...
the time will come... when savage fury is the only emotion...
the time will come... when power is the only path to live...
the time will come... when thy true self awakens... when the beast within is released...
the time will come... when the werewolves will rule this world...
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WEREWOLVES KICK VAMPIRES ASS!!!
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the movie van helsing come-on now
when he turnd into a werewolf he ripped the junk out of dracula
werewolves will always be top dog no matter what
i would probably like having a vamp chick cause they sexier...but i would rather be a werewolf cause its not a trick its straight out fear from the moment you see the size fur teeth and claws its straight up fear and horror
WEREWOLVES FOR THE WIN
GOGOOGO
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an iron knife slash it three times in the head the curse
is lifted so one more salution instead of being eaten.
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WOLVES RULE!!!!
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Bad goes first a vampire has a weakness a vampire
will count spilled seeds no matter what situation until
it finishes count or the sun comes up
Good : Some vampires can control fire,ice,water
,lightning,or earth acording to some of the older legends
and some can control normal wolfs and rats.
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Sure, werewolves are cool in their own unique way. They can change into an animal—awesome. But honestly, they’re stuck with this curse that forces them to change every full moon, leaving them no choice but to evolve into this...monster... that kills because their animal instinct takes over everything else. Kudos goes to the few that actually want it. Though, Wolfsbane, made a good point that even though werewolves can’t always control their actions, they have an immeasurable amount of love and loyalty for their mate and pack-- more than any vampire or human could ever come close to.
I’m not saying that all vampires have more control—in some cases they don’t. The thing that has always made me want to be a vampire is the way they roam the night with such confidence and mystery...it just makes them more ominous, and as if you want to get to know them more... almost as if you [i[want[/i] to follow them down the dark alley way. They also have immortality-- the chance to live forever and see everything that the world evolves into. Supernatural strength, good looks, and pale, gorgeous skin is just a plus. The downside is that they can never truly love someone as much as a human could. Their relationships are based purely off of lust, not love.
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great comments!
The vamps in 30 Days of Night aren't of the good-looking variety in their natural guise, though.
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Thanks! It took me a while to come up with some decent points, though.
That's true. I really liked 30 Days of Night actually. The vampires in that particular film are more... the wild, vicious...man-eating...I-Don' t-Give-A-Crap-Who-I-Kill-Or-W ho-Witnesses...type.
It's interesting to see the different ways people portray vampires.
Personally, I prefer the vampires that try to conceal their true nature so they can blend in with society.
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Yeah, 30 Days is one of the best vampire flicks in years. My father acted in it. He's the old codger who gets killed at the beginning and his head put on a stick! Go dad!!!
Other vampire movies I really like are Innocent Blood (aka A French Vampire in America), Near Dark, The Addiction, Martin, Vampire's Kiss, Nosferatu (both the 1922 and the 1979 versions) and From Dusk Till Dawn.
... but I'm particularly fond of lycanthropes.
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Wow, thats awesome that your dad was in the movie! That would be such an amazing experience, and I'll have to check out some of those movies you mentioned. I haven't seen some of them. Haha, I'm actually looking up some avatars now.
Silverfang,
That's a really good point. It would be hard to live without your loved ones, or to see them moving on in life-- going to bigger and better things while you're stuck, pretty much frozen in the life you've been given...
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vampires may have amazing confidence and not skulk around like the werewolf, but that sympathy and self-loathing, I think, is actually kinda attractive. some people want to help others who they think are in need, to help them get over their fears, or self-judgment.
now, srry, to get back on subject. A werewolf is only a monster once a month, while a vampire has to fight the bloodlust, 'day' and night. I bet they dream about it when they sleep during the hours the sun is up. Werewolves have better senses than any animal on the earth. Vampires may have the amazing senses as well, but 'wolves can actually use their's for good when they are human. I believe since being a werewolf is a curse, shouldn't the curse kinda affect u as a human? Werewolves could be like an anti-hero like Batman, tormented but stilll trying to do good to try and counter their dark side.
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i think neither are in control, though werewolves perhaps a bit more. as human, they are. They just hahve to take precautions at night or when the full moon is out.
any counters on that?
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As the Hunter says in "Hunting Season" :
It is not the Wolf, but the man taht makes the wolf evil...
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it is true that humans bring the worst out in animal species. thats why u see hippos attack people, or lions, or wolves... we are feared.
see, werewolves aren't 'dead', not like the vampires. so don't you think that that would help them control their dark side, b/c they are still techincally human, so they have human emotions like compassion or fear?
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As for dark sides, everything has a darkside. A vamp is undead, but technically, it's alive because it moves, breathes, and feeds. A wolf is truly alive, it's just cursed. Humans not only bring out the darkside of animals, but of anything. Humans will bring this out, willingly, unwillingly, on purpose, or accidentally. Sometimes, these darksides naturally emerge, or just lie dormant. However, in my belief, it is us that gives something a darkside, simply because we are afraid of it. A vamp, or a werewolf, are considered dark, simply because of the fact that many treat them as freaks of nature, that they are not human. The exceptions usually survive in encounter with said vamp or wolf, because they accepted the person as an equal, with living rights, and not as a thing to be feared and shunned.
Sorry, off the topic... =P
Controlling the darkside is all about DISCIPLINE... It doesn't matter whether it's a vamp, wolf, or something else entirely. As long as it doesn't give in to it's darkside, one doesn't need to fear it.
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And as for thoes other points. A werewolf can also be caring, especially to people they are familiar to...
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A werewolf has enhance animal instincts, given this, I would say they would be in more control. Just because we feeble humans cannot comprehend why a dog will eat the couch, does not mean it is not in control of it's actions. The same I would think is true of a werewolf.
A vampire has to have all the blood removed from the body, or bitten 3 times and said to die, but for how long? The blood is replaced in the body right? So who is to say that the body is not just in a state of suspended animation? Once again the control, they are now a human with new strengths and weakness. The weakness I would think are easy to remember and avoid, if possible. But the strengths would be new, I would not think they come with instincts to control them. But once they learn I believe control comes. And if they make sure they are fully satisfied hunger wise they would be in control.
In short I think that both can gain complete control over themselves, but while new the vampire has less because I would not think instincts are implanted to help learn how to control some of their changes.
Now mind you I prefer the vampire, I would so love to be able to see where the world is going. I think it would be fascinating to see what it will be like in a hundred years and more. Plus, I love the night and it has nothing to do with the supernatural. The stars, the sounds, smells.....everything!
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I think I'm drawn to the fact that werewolves can change shape, even if it is against their will, but wolves are one of my favourite animals, have been since I was very little. And they live an abnormally long life, so they too could see the world grow and change. but they aren't cursed with immortality as far as I know, so when their loved ones pass on, they know they will see them again. When they are done with living, they know that death is an option. Their regenerative(sp?) power is pretty incredible. and to go out in sunlight! Is it true that their blood is quite warm, b/c if so, imagine what you could do in winter?
ahh, the endless possibilities, even with the full moon as a down side.
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I have heard different things whether they are immortal, just long lived, regular, and shorter life spans. It seems like people can not figure out what to think. I would believe that they are shorter because they are so...violent, I guess is the word.
Later when both have control over their new powers, I would think the vampire would have more control. A vampire is not fighting another set of instincts.
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Now here is why I feel the dogs are the better of the two villains:
Some ARE immortal (Underworld, The Howling, Werewolf the TV series 1989 Fox)
They start out with no control, typically, and can change at will as the beast takes over.
Eventually the beast controls the man, which is the nature of the curse
Wolf women? How about The Howling??? And yes I do mean the nymphomaniac! SHE was hot! As was Ginger (Ginger Snaps) and her sister (Ginger Snaps 2).
You only see what you allow yourself to see.
And yes, The Company of Wolves is a GREAT film...love the part where Angela Lansbury loses her head...
Recommended cinema:
Werewolf the TV series, 1989, Fox (sold to USA in the 90's I think, only one season ran, but MAN was it good)
An American Werewolf in London, 1981
The Howling, 1981
Howling 2 (your sister is a werewolf), 1983
DOG SOLDIERS, 2002
Ginger Snaps, 2001
Ginger Snaps Unleashed, 2004
Ginger Snaps Back, 2007
The Monster Squad, 1985
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Now here is why I feel the dogs are the better of the two villains:
Some ARE immortal (Underworld, The Howling, Werewolf the TV series 1989 Fox)
They start out with no control, typically, and can change at will as the beast takes over.
Eventually the beast controls the man, which is the nature of the curse
Wolf women? How about The Howling??? And yes I do mean the nymphomaniac! SHE was hot! As was Ginger (Ginger Snaps) and her sister (Ginger Snaps 2).
You only see what you allow yourself to see.
And yes, The Company of Wolves is a GREAT film...love the part where Angela Lansbury loses her head...
Recommended cinema:
Werewolf the TV series, 1989, Fox (sold to USA in the 90's I think, only one season ran, but MAN was it good)
An American Werewolf in London, 1981
The Howling, 1981
Howling 2 (your sister is a werewolf), 1983
DOG SOLDIERS, 2002
Ginger Snaps, 2001
Ginger Snaps Unleashed, 2004
Ginger Snaps Back, 2007
The Monster Squad, 1985
Recommended literature (vampire & werewolf here)
The Wolf's Hour - Robert R. McCammon
Necroscope - Brian Lumley
Vamphri! Necroscope II - Brian Lumley
The Source: Necroscope III - Brian Lumley
Deadspeak: Necroscope IV - Brian Lumley
Deadspawn: Necroscope V - Brian Lumley
Blood Brothers: Necroscope VIII - Brian Lumley
The Last Aerie: Necroscope IX - Brian Lumley
I cannot for the life of me remember what Necroscope X is called...but READ IT!
Dracula - Bram Stoker (Unabridged if you can find it)
The Werewolf's Tale - Richard Jaccoma
The Werewolf's Revenge - Richard Jaccoma
Anyway, I can't remember any more right away, but I'm sure sooner or later I will because I love these types of literature!
And I skipped Necroscope VI and VII because frankly in those Lumley pretty much confirms his main character's suspicions that werewolves and vampires are the same species of creature, just the manner of their infection differs. Besides that, it's just a space filler between Vamphri and The Source (Called The Lost Years, there are 2 books but they should have been one as they are a continual literation unlike the rest)
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A link to the legendary TV series WEREWOLF, from 1987...my year was off
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I'd like to read one of the werewolf-orientated novels of hers, can you recommend one?
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you can also kill them by hitting themr the head with a cold iron rod, forcing it to eat salt, making it drink Holy Water (this only works if the werewolf was/is Christian), or submerging it in salt water. All cures are most likely fatal.
Asanbosam:
African vampires that have hooked feet. They drink blood from their victims' thumb.
Bajang:
Malaysian vampires that appear to mortals as skunks. They tend to prey upon the same family for generations, and can be controlled by a sorcerer.
Baobhan Sith:
The Baobhan Sith are the old Scottish form of vampires. They appear as beautiful young women who kill men by dancing with them until the men are too weak to resist their powers.
Ch'ing Shih:
A Chinese vampire that has poisonus breath. One can escape the Ch'ing Shih by spilling rice on the ground; the Ch'ing Shih has a need to count any spilled rice that it comes across.
Dakini:
A type of Tibetan vampire.
Dracul:
Vampires from Austria.
Empusa:
The Empusa are vampires from the Mediterranean region, and are related to incubi and succubi. While they hunt they appear to be beautiful young women. When they have finished feasting on the blood of their victims they turn into hags.
Jaracara:
Jaracara are snake-like vampires from Brazil. They do not drink blood, but instead drink the breast milk of sleeping women.
Khadro:
A type of Tibetan vampire.
Krvopijac:
Vampires from Bulgaria. They are most easily identified by the fact that they have one nostril. In order to destroy a Krvopijac a magician must capture its spirit in a bottle and then burn it.
Kwakiytl:
A type of vampire from North America.
Mulo:
The Mulo are vampires from Serbia. They can travel in sunlight and darkness, and drink not only their victims' blood but their flesh as well.
Muron:
An ancient type of vampire from Wallachia (the old name for Romania).
Nosferatu:
A name for Eastern European vampires.
Ogolgen:
Bohemian vampires.
Strigoi:
Vampires from Romania.
Wampir:
Wampirs come from Russia. They do not use fangs to drink the blood of their victims, but use a special Your text goes herestinger that is located under their tongue. The Wampir can walk around in the daylight, and must be burned in a special way to be killed.
Vampires from India are said to look like old women, but have two heels on each of their feet.
Ways to Kill a Vampire:
Driving a stake through its heart
Shooting it with a silver bullet
Getting it to go into the sun
Decapitating it
Burning it
Drowning it in salt water
Coercing it into a corked bottle and then burning it
Things that will Ward-Off a Vampire:
Christian Cross
Holy Water
Bells
Garlic
Ways to Keep a Vampire in its Grave:
Surrounding the grave with iron filings (or any iron items)
Putting garlic on the grave
Driving nine spindles into the grave three days after the person had died
Putting a fence around the grave
Buring tow on to of the grave
Making a pile of stones on top of the grave
Pouring boiling water onto the grave
Ways to Keep a Corpse from Becoming a Vampire:
Breaking its spine
Putting lard from a hog slaughtered on St. Ignatius' Day onto it
Decapitating it and putting the head in a strange place or destroying it
Disolving the corpse's heart in Vinegar
Putting a stake into its heart
Putting a nail into its skull
Covering the grave with a wild rose bush
Burying it at a crossroads (but onl if it was a suicide victim)
Ways to Become a Vampire:
Being bitten by a vampire
Drinking the blood of a vampire
Being burried with ones mouth open
Comitting suicide and not being buried at a crossroads
Dying excommunicate
Dying unbaptized
Dying while recovering from being a werewolf
Comitting sucide
Dying from a fall off the left side of a wagon
Having a mother who slept with demons
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I find that interesting since on Sesame Street since The Count is a parady of Count Dracula, and he loves to count things: bats, cars, whatever. Kind of creepy actually...
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I find that interesting since on Sesame Street the Count is a parady of Count Dracula, and he loves to count things: bats, cars, whatever. Kind of creepy actually...
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And one day the lycans got tired to be pets and started a war with the vampires witch the blood suckers have no chance. The mind of a vampire goes '' they are animals, so we treat them as dogs'', but a mind of a werewolf goes '' vampire means LUNCH'' and thats it the vampires got what they wanted, a CARNAGE!!!
And if they go like ''oh we are imortals, so we are betters than any living human bean walking the earth'' let's keep things this way
Vampires:
- they live and act in a human body as vampires
- they only move at night
-they have to drink blood to survive
-they are weak
Lycans:
- they live and act as werewolves in a two-feet wolf walking
- they can move whenever they want
- they have to feed of course but we are very much stronger than vampires
So if this is war, the blood suckers can take it
Vampires
Comment by HammerOfGod
In Interview With The Vampire we encounter Louie who is very distraught at the fact that he must kill, also in the new series True Blood we see vampires that still have very much human traits.
With werewolves again it depends on the film or the author as to if they are immortal or unaware of what they are doing.
remember the tv series Werewolf? kinda cheesy show sort of like The Hulk with fur and teeth. I actually liked it. There we encountered ancient werewolf played by Chuck Connors who was immortal and could change whenever he wanted.
also for those who said there are not hot werewolf women...I take it you've never seen Ginger Snaps
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sorry
and for vampires, I may be a elitist, but I really don't care for the vampires of Interview, Buffy,Southern Vampire series, and Twilight.
I like my vampires bad ass Like Christopher Lee's Dracula, John Carpenters Vampire, etc.
What I like about those books , is they give the vampires human emotions and feelings, but they've really watered down the powers and ferocity of the vampires.
I'm actually working on a vampire novel(I record in on tape and my wife types, good thing because I hate spell check LOL, as you can tell from my posts)
My vampires are a bit different, they can move around in day light with sun glasses because their eyes are very sensative to sun light.They can eat and drink food and liquids(though they need blood from a live human to survive) They can not shape shift or turn into mist, but the have super human strength, speed, agility, hearing, smell, sight, and are still immortal. they can not fly though are able to jump great distances and have the power of suggestion.
My "hero" is a ancient vampire detective/assassin who is sent by the elders to investigate and deal with a situation where an old vampire(the only ones capable of turning) is turning people and leaving them with out instructing and educating them(a capital offense in my vampire universe}. These new vampires, not knowing how to use their powers correctly and were never told that they can not kill humans if it's not called for. are basically going on a killing spree.
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I haven't seen Ginger Snaps Back ... Same actors??
Have you seen Abel Ferrara's The Addiction?
That presents vampirism in a whole new (monochromatic) light.
I like 30 Days of Night and Near Dark for its animal like ferocity.
The original Nosferatu from 1922 is brilliant for atmosphere and creepiness.
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yes I've seen the addiction. Christopher Walken is one of my favorite actors
Near Dark is one of my favorite films of the genre
30 days of night is also another favorite, my only issue with it was they made the lesser vampires to animalistic
I tried to make the book funny as well. I have penned three humorous plays for our local theater company
Chapter two of the book opens with my main character(a real vampire) not being allowed into a vampire theme night club because he does not fit the image of the club. according to the doorman "buddy, if you want to get in you at least need to try and look like a vampire"
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of all the myths, books and films
the vampire seems more in control. People can have an encounter with a vampire and may not be attacked
with werewolves it seems if you are around when it changes, odds are it's going to attempt to have you for dinner
also the vampire seems to have much more supernatural powers in it's arsenal then a werewolf
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I'm incredibly fussy when it comes to mixin comedy with horror. As a rule I prefer my horror straight and hard. But there are exceptions to that rule. I really dig Vampire's Kiss and I also really enjoy From Dusk Till Dawn.
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VAMPIRES:
Immortal,seductive(i read soemwhere in the early posts...get turned into vampire when ure ugly???no way...like u all know..vampires are smart..they wont bite an ugly dude..),they HAVE somewhat control of what they are doing from the very beggining after "being turned".Now,like EVERY book says:they need blood,there fore they must feed...but lemme ask u this..have u seen that seris(i think it was ER with george clooney)..in there a patient comes in the hospital and tells the nurse:
"could u please give me a bag of b- blood?'
the nurse asks why..then the old dude(he was ugly too..which is weird)he said:
im a vampire,and i need blood,but i dont want to harm other people..so i beg u..please give me one bag...(GIVE ME ONE SHOT MAN!one sniff...im dried up..and im addictive lol)...then he says hell either die or kill someone if he doesent get the blood...i dunno what happened next...but its an example that evne when vampires get blood thirsty they can maintain control...
WEREWOLFES:
they are wild,uncontrolable at the beggining...but they AGE..which is important..becouse..a vampire never dies from old age..where werewolfes,they can get old...and fragile..BUT,they have a human form most of the month(like a period??)but when the full moon comes out they turn into a hairy form..and if not in control..they CAN and DO kill everyone around them..but they CAN maintain control...cush as..know when the full moon rises and bind oneself with chains...another thing..a werewolf is born(or made)with what i beleive is known populary among the people...DUDE!!IM NOT GAY!!STOP KISSING ME IN THE NECK!!!...or another werewolfes bite...or so i think...there a many beleifs and folklores about how u become a werewolf...but that aplies for vampires as well...
so i say...they BOTH can control their "dark side...its all a matter of will and soul...if the vampire wants to hunt..he will lure the prey with sexapeal and other stuff...and then kill him...but if he has controll...hell do what the ugly dude did in ER...while werewolfes...dont have the NEED to kill people..i mean,sure,when they are in wolf form..they are wild and most of the time they dont know what they are doing...but if they have control over their wolf form(i use wolf form cos its cool-ishier lolz)they dont need to kill people..of course there are the arguments that they need blood too..but i say one word to that...ADRENALIN!!!yes,when they re turned they get an adrenaline rush and the urge to fight..more.and MORE...but if one can control it..they dont need to kill...
now i know i said more about werewolfs...but thats cos im a werewolf fan...and that doesent change my opinion that BOTH can HAVE control...
tell me what u think of meh comment
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and that is pretty cool about your dad being in 30 days of night
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Second of all heres what I'm bringing to the table;
It is clear that both werewolves and vampires represent the darker side of humanity. On one side of the spectrum is the brutal, untameable beast and on the other the subtle and manipulating seducer. These incarnations of vampire and werewolf reflect the darker urges we are all, as humans, subject to. To indulge in these dark whims without control or thought is to essentially become either one of these monsters. I suggest that werewolves and vampires represent two different forms of a complete loss of control/morality over self.
A vampire is the epitome of selfishness and decadence. They are portrayed as having being indulged in every pleasure of the flesh, often represented as sensual, cruel and inhumane. They are most certainly a manifestation of uncontrolled desire. Desire to control and dominate at the expense of others.
Werewolves are similar. They represent natural urges obeyed without question. They are brutal dominating and violent. It is clear that the form of a wolf is representative of the disintegration from human into beast, as all form logic and rational thinking are lost. This is can be seen as a complete lack of control over primal urges.
Impulse and desire, werewolf and vampire. The materialistic and lustful side of ourselves, which craves the flesh, must be brought under control. The urges to dominate, fight, kill, reproduce, eat, gather and ravage likewise. The manipulating vampire and violent werewolf could be considered two sides of the same coin, in that they both completely lack certain aspects of control.
An unlikely compromise perhaps?
Btw if you were smart you’d know werewolves are so much better then those melodramatic, overdone romantic, poofy, poetry writing, pathetic, crybecauseihaveitworsethenany bodyelcebutcan’tdie, late Victorian dressing, vampires.
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Some good comments there, but I didn't take to the sneer of your snout at the end "btw if you were smart ..."
The whole point of this debate is to ruffle feathers and coax people's opinions ... it's got nothing to do with whether I'm smart or not.
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Maybe I got a little carried away >.<
My bad everyone
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Vampires allways wanna suck your blood. But a werewolf can just go hunting when he's hungry. If you paper cut yourself with a vampire around, YOUR GONNA DIE! Also, werewolves have their senses hightend to the max, along with super-agility. I would say werewolves own all.
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As far as control, gonna have to go with vampire. The vampire is actually thinking and calculating, enjoying death and the torment. The werewolf is operating on instinct and the need for survival. Not to mention the werewolf I believe just eats what is available. If it were in the wilderness, I'm sure it would eat bear, deer or whatever was in range, not making any distinction, just food. Of course I'm basing this off of what I've seen in movies. Besides Underworld which actually shows the wolves choosing and thinking, not just operating on instinct.
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William, yeah, hopefully better than the crappy first two movies, even if Kate Beckinsale is hot to trot. Although she's not in the prequel, the equally hot Rhona Mitra is!
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usvampires don't like the fact that they must kill to survive. They know they must, and so they do, but they do it as few times as they can and they try to make their... victim... feel as little pain as possible.Wevampires, are usually much more in control of ourselves then werewolves, although someof usvampires tend to try and become more instinctive when they feed so that they don't have to think about it as much. Also,wevampires aren't at all immortal, although manyof usvampires do live prolonged lives (most live to somwhere between 100 and 200 years of age). We act almost perfectly normal during the daytime, and all sunlight does is makeourvampires' vision more dull and make it much harder not to give in toourtheir instincts. Vampires don't necessarily look more handsome or beautiful than others, but we do, without trying, attract others and are able to, to some extent, manipulate them. We do have cold skin, but not too cold - our heart beats, just slowly and with cooler blood. I do not know that much about werewolves, because I have never seen one. I do, however, feel strongly opposed to them, for they don't seem like the types of creatures I would like.Comment by Anonymous
usvampires don't like the fact that they must kill to survive. They know they must, and so they do, but they do it as few times as they can and they try to make their... victim... feel as little pain as possible.Wevampires, are usually much more in control of ourselves then werewolves, although someof usvampires tend to try and become more instinctive when they feed so that they don't have to think about it as much. Also,wevampires aren't at all immortal, although manyof usvampires do live prolonged lives (most live to somwhere between 100 and 200 years of age). We act almost perfectly normal during the daytime, and all sunlight does is makeourvampires' vision more dull and make it much harder not to give in toourtheir instincts. Vampires don't necessarily look more handsome or beautiful than others, but we do, without trying, attract others and are able to, to some extent, manipulate them. We do have cold skin, but not too cold - our heart beats, just slowly and with cooler blood. I do not know that much about werewolves, because I have never seen one. I do, however, feel strongly opposed to them, for they don't seem like the types of creatures I would like.Comment by Bryn
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...and to add on to what he said that i think werewolves would be more dangerous since they dnt have control.
in most of the literature i have read vampires always use intelect to win their batlles as on the other hand werewolves use both intellect and brute strength
i personally am all werewolve probably because i have the werewolve gene in my family
aand going back to (dnt feel like going back through all of that) werewolves are loving and loyal
so the fact that the curse happens to them that when they transform they betray thier loved ones
(kinda ironic dnt you think)anyways i belive that werewolves have the ability to be in more in control of their daekside and when in their human form they could be trying to find a way to control it so........
yea
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...and to add on to what he said that i think werewolves would be more dangerous since they dnt have control.
in most of the literature i have read vampires always use intelect to win their batlles as on the other hand werewolves use both intellect and brute strength
i personally am all werewolve probably because i have the werewolve gene in my family
aand going back to (dnt feel like going back through all of that) werewolves are loving and loyal
so the fact that the curse happens to them that when they transform they betray thier loved ones
(kinda ironic dnt you think)anyways i belive that werewolves have the ability to be in more in control of their daekside and when in their human form they could be trying to find a way to control it so........
yea
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...and to add on to what he said that i think werewolves would be more dangerous since they dnt have control.
in most of the literature i have read vampires always use intelect to win their batlles as on the other hand werewolves use both intellect and brute strength
i personally am all werewolve probably because i have the werewolve gene in my family
aand going back to (dnt feel like going back through all of that) werewolves are loving and loyal
so the fact that the curse happens to them that when they transform they betray thier loved ones
(kinda ironic dnt you think)anyways i belive that werewolves have the ability to be in more in control of their daekside and when in their human form they could be trying to find a way to control it so........
yea
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werewolves every time
1: they can change at will
2: its not a curse, i think its more of a blessing come on-immortality, instincts of an animal and the brains of a human, you get to hunt and no one can say anything about it, you can eat as much as you want and no one can say anything, physically toned and sexy with rugged looks rather than suave sexiness, they have awesome hair and can do wt the hell they like n dont have to fit in
i ges the only problem with a werewolf would b the fleas lol
vamps cant enter the sunlight
they NEED to fead where as a werewolf can choose to feed
and they have to listen 2 classical music
sorry but i'd go psycho if i had 2 live like tht
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I think vampires arte better then werewolves because they are dont sleep at night wererwolves do
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I personally like vampires, 'cuz they're really cool. First off, they can fly and run really fast, and they aren't like the flesh-hungry, die-hard, cold-hearted, dirty werewolves. no offense intended to anybody.
But also, werewolves are good because they can actually go out in the day, and they aren't fully controlled by a thirst for blood (or, in their case, flesh). BUT though they are controlled by their darker side under the full moon, they still have their human side, right? Only transforming into a werewolf under the light of a full moon, whereareas a vampire is always a vampire. (Right?)
But I'm not really reliabe on this topic. I've read a few books on vampires, one or two on werewolves, and I've researched them (each) a little bit., but I'm no where near an expert on either creature.
Long story short, they both have flaws, and they both have advantages.
I still like vampires better.
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By: Thomas Moreau
Everyone has there own thoughts and beliefs about Vampires and Werewolves/Lycans but who is truly right..?
I've seen all the movies and read all the book, I've surfed the web and I tell you the answers changes constantly, everyone has there own version, legends, myths and stories to tell! and everyone is entitled to there own beliefs!
Me personally, I luv the movie Van Helsing and the Underworld Movies and I'm looking forward to go see the new one Rise of the Lycans this weekend. As for books, I've recently seen the new Twilight movie and that got me into reading all four book... Although I am sickened by the fact that in these book the Vampires seem to "shine/sparkle" in the sun rather then burn... I still like the twist and the idea of Vampires who can go in the sunlight, much like Blade! (Day Walker) but again I would like to point out these are movies, not the real thing and that the only true way to know any of these things would to become either a vampire or werewolf are self's..!
.. I know some ppl think it silly and some what stupid... but I do believe in Vamps and Lycans... and I have given it careful consideration, as to which side I would choose if the opportunity presented it self?
Vampire or Werewolf?
As it so happense, I am a big fan of Lycans (werewolf's) but Vamp fans dont get me wrong... Just because I say I like the wolf doesn't mean I don't choose the path of a Vamp...
See I personally, grew up with the fear of DEATH!
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I re-call my child hood nightmares... Waking up in fear and tears at the thought of one day dieing, I re-call my grandmother rushing into my room at late hours of the night to comfort me and tell me it would be alright that the lord god would watch over me and protect me and never let anything bad happen to me but she also said that there will be a time where are lord god and savior will call upon us to join him in the heavens...
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But I could never take comfort in her words... I would still have nightmares of mine and my family's death, loosing those closest to me, having my name lost in time, never to be remembered and never know what lay waiting for me after death... Is there anything? is there a god? I would like to think so, yet even tho I rarely have those nightmares today, my fear still to this day leaves me knowing with out hesitation that if the opportunity to become an immortal creature of the night (vampire) ever presented it self to me I would take it, again with out hesitation and I would do my best to control it, like the Cullen family from Twilight... I would do my best to live a normal life!
Now I only mentioned Vampire there because unlike Vampires, Werewolf's only live for so long... It's true they are immortal as well, just like the Vamp's but only for a certain amount of time... Eventually they will go back to being humans and one day die, as my new fav book series Twilight describes in full and better detail.
I started having my nightmares at a young age every night till I was 12 years old, I am currently 19 yet still like I said from time to time get those horrific nightmares, they are not as bad as they were for me as a child yet they still have me sitting up at late hours of the night in my bed with fear and pain in my eyes, worried of loosing the ones I luv and the ones closet to me..! (I rarely sleep these days!)
As for the main Question of this blog...
There are many different ways to look at this but...
Vampires need the blood whether humans or animal, it does not matter but it is required, I personally would choose to feed on the blood of an animal, rather then end another life! (again read Twilight, for my views and beliefs are similar to the Cullen family)
As for the Wolf, it is still very difficult to judge...
Yes they seem freakishly huge and at times I'm sure scary but I don't believe they are truly dangerous at all... Like a normal dog, if u anger the animal it will turn and attack... So don't piss off a Lycan, that seems to make the change from man/women to beast, more inevitable for them. I believe that a Werewolf can control its self once in its Wolf form but again all Wolf's are different just like each human is different... A human who goes to anger management, probably wouldn't be the greatest Werewolf... I'm sure in that case the rage would be to much and the animal instinct would over power to human spirit and take over causing havoc and mayhem in its wake.
Unlike say... A very loving, peaceful person, I'm sure someone like that would be able to control the change and there emotions allot better.
So what it all comes down to is there is no right or wrong answer... There are good Vamps and bad Vamps... Good Dogs and Bad Dogs...
I will not say either one is worse or better then the other, for both are equal in my mind, especially when it comes to controlling there darker side!
(it all depends on how you choose to live your life with the gift/curse/new life you are handed!)
Haha, now I have an idea as to how Vamps and Wolfs became to be... Silly I know, I'm sure I may be wrong but it was a thought I had one day and I don't see any reason why not... I would like to share it with all of u and get your feed back on how either silly/stupid or possible this may be...
My theory:
In the beginning, "god" created all man and women to live "forever"... Until the "bible" says "Adam & Eve" tasted the forbidden fruit and god cursed them to live the short lives we humans live today.
Now... I believe Vampires are rly fallen "angels"... Because they come from "up above" (heaven) they are "cold" and there beauty, strength and speed are match by no mortal being (plus in Twilight they shine with light when in the sun) so I believe god allowed some "angels" back on earth to live there lives as the immortals we were all meant to be, here on earth but at a price... They would need to drink the blood of humans to stay on the earth, for they are no longer human, they need the blood to allow there bodies to stay on earth otherwise there souls would be gone forever, lost in total darkness, as I personally fear!
Now this is were the Wolfs come in... For those of you who don't know the "dog" is a sign of the underworld, a demon, a hound from hell... Now I believe the "devil" was angry with god for allowing his angels on earth, because the angels could bite and turn other humans into immortal beings as well... Never having to die. The devil didn't like this because souls that were meant to go to him were locked away on earth, never to leave there humans bodies, so the devil sent his own angels... "Hounds of Hell" (Lycans) to earth with one single purpose to reed the earth of the Vamps to allow the souls to continue and make there way into the fiery pit of Hell. This would explain why Werewolf's are so warm and why they only live as immortals for so long, because unlike god, the devil wanted his "angels souls" to finally make there way back to him in Hell!
and this is how I believe, Vamps and Lycans came to be and why there is this battle that rages between both races!
Thx, for reading my Long Comment ><
I hope I have been of use and that I have shined some light on the topic at hand and given you all a new out look on Vamps & Wolfs!
Sincerely,
Thomas J. Moreau
sgt.moreau@hotmail.com
ps. I thought I should mention, if there are any of you out there who share my thoughts and beliefs please, feel free to contact me. Also if anyone out there can turn me or help me on my quest/journey to be turned into either a Vamp or Wolf! I know it wont be easy, a long shot but I would be for ever in your dept!
To be reed of my DREAMS and purged of my fear, to live... In a world with out pain and walk this earth till the end of time!
Again Thank You.
Comment by dudes
a blood bath, where wolfe at first finds them, bites one, cut a notherone in half, a nother one is alrady stabed side ways on a tree, and the last one triyng to escape, flying, the werewolve
gets him by the leg and crashes down on the ground making the vamps hart explode, the vamp cut in half tries to crall away and the wherewolve biets the vamps head of (dont think he survived that) then stabs its harry hand into the biten vamp, taking all of its intestines and heart out, and of course taking a bite out of it and the last vamp, still trying to brake of the branch of the tree throu his chest shares one more dathe with the hungry, !REAL! hungry werewolve.
vamps are sexy and all, they have more control over their dark side but, sence the wherewolve kiled all the male vampires, he ends up like a vampire pimp still beeing an invencible where wolve with an inmortality and harry course
where wolves beastly get what ever they want, and thats owsome.
vamps, dead, and dead dont and cant biet,
Comment by Anonymous
this is my answer:
vampires have control over their evil side, they know what they are doing and dont care, they only care for themselves, when you turn into a vampire you are no longer yourself your a vampire not the living person you once were, you lure your victims intentionally you can choose the victim etc, and you have little thought on what their feelings are.
as portrayed in alot of books and films.
and now werewolves which ARENT EVEN EVIL, is not even evil. define evil? is a lion evil for hunting prey? is a wolf? is a cat evil for killing the bet budgie nextdoor and eatting it. no, you can only do something evil if you can choose it, and intentionally cause pain/suffering on another. a werewolf (the person) has no control on what hes doing (in werewolf form) so hes not doing anything evil. hes just being as nature intended (supernaturally intended)
on a note about the whole cooler than what debate?
id have to say werewolves from underworld series, just being able to turn into such brute force on will and havea huge advantage over vampires (daylight).
shame blade isnt really a proper vampire, because that is.... cool
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replying to Thomas Moreau
i do know what you are getting at with the whole immortally thing, but as you said your 19. and you have a fear of death. in my opinion and im sure you will see this later on is that death is what makes us live. if we couldnt die then you would end up killing yourself anyway after a certain amount of time and depression when everyone around you dies. sure maybe you would like to live longer? at a certain age ofc not an old man. but in the end you will find content and decide to "leave". just like a long night out and the only thing you want is a good nice sleep.
oh and as my opinion i really really hope there is no afterlife, i dont want to sound emo or anything i enjoy being alive
Comment by LamiaRexRgis
Though I must say, each creature keeps reign over their senses while transformed, no matter what they've become. It's just that neither species really cares. I mean, no matter the transformation they overtake, they're still themselves, are they not? Same minds, same people, same souls. The only difference is that in this new change, they feel more alive; more free. Like they can do whatever they please and no one has the power to stop them. They can specifically do whatever they want. They could possibly keep away from humans while they aren't themselves, but do they want to?
It's all basically dependent on whom of the creature you're looking at. One, say, Vampire might hate the humans because they murdered the Vampire's parents and family or so forth, so feels a deep loathe towards the human race. Or you could be dealing with a Vampire who's never been in any way harmed by a human, nor has any they've ever loved, and feel there's honestly no point in making more of what they were once taught to fear, considering they were once humans, only bitten.
And the same goes for Werewolves. If you're looking at one who's had an awful past with them, and hates them with all the black in their heart, they'd certainly want to kill them. But with no human interference in their lives ever, they'd feel no need, would they not?
So it mainly depends on the fact of whom you're looking at and what day they're having, really. If they feel like humans have done them all the wrong in the world and deserve what they've brought upon themselves, a Vampire or Werewolf would feel perfectly fine with killing off a small town of settlers. Where-areas if the Vampire or Werewolf was once a human, they might feel a sense of sorrow and ease and sympathy towards their past race, and will purposely avoid those whom they know would be in a sort of moral danger near them (in other words, every human).
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But if you only focus on what werewolves and vampires have traditionally been, you will find yourself in stories such as Nosferatu, the vampire who could control rats... not at all the contemporary idea of what a vampire is, and we are in modern times with our own established ideas.
So take a look at the two in popular culture.
Alas, I don't think very many have mentioned it for a while here... but the character Lupin in Harry Potter is an excellent form of a modern werewolf. He is a normal human (wizard?) who bears a curse that has him beaten to weakness. He is assisted by other to keep control of his dark side, but regardless of what happens or who he is with, if he does not drink his potion, he kills anyone in sight. Also in Harry Potter, Fenrir Greyback, who I believe is in control of his dark side, in the sense he embellishes it.
Vampires in popular culture are slightly more intriguing, the first thought the comes to my mind is (swallows) Twilight. There is also the Underworld trilogy, perhaps the epitome of Vampire vs. Werewolf, but I'll get to that later.Twilight, though it is a love story shows vampires in their height of sexual appeal as yet seen, and their high level of control. The Cullens choose not to feed on human blood, while the other family (curse my memory) chooses to feed explicitly on human blood, displaying control and choice over their dark side. Also, curiously, Twilight removes the traditional effect of sunlight on vampires (though it did bother them, it was no longer fatal), and though it is not traditional, it is what people may come to expect out of vampires in the future and should be considered in my next argument...
So far, the vampires have won the battle of control, though not by much having Lupin, Greyback, and Lycans from Underworld as examples. I did my part and answered the question, but I recently finished the Underworld trilogy, which has me buzzing about Vampires vs. Werewolves.
Underworld is a very modern view of vampires and werewolves, going so far as to include ultraviolet and silver bullets to do extra damage to vampires and werewolves, respectively. (Modern popular culture where sunlight does kill vampires... perhaps a fading trend? We shall assume not so... for now) Not only did the vampires have the incredible sexual appeal (Kate Beckinsale... ROWR!!!(not a werewolf howl)), but were shown as suave, sophisticated, cunning, traditional, and just darn cool. The, lets face it, antagonist Lucien commands a somewhat brutish-appealing pack of animals (I know, I know Lucien would kill me for saying it, but look at some of those guys and tell me they don't look like the wrong end of some hairy animal)
Look at the movies, you won't regret it (the 2nd one is kind of weak)
Here is my scoring system:
Control of Inner Darkness
Vampires 9/10
Werewolves 4/10
Fear
Vampires 5/10
Werewolves 7/10
Attractiveness (Sexual)
Vampires 9/10
Werewolves 5/10
Strength
Vampires 6/10
Werewolves 8/10
Intelligence
Vampires 8/10
Werewolves 5/10
Weaknesses (i.e. sunlight, silver, stakes, holy water)
Vampires 3/10
Werewolves 6/10
Dude, there may be more categories, please introduce them but this is really the only thing you need to know
Coolness
Vampires 10
Werewolves 0-4 at tops
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cheers for your elaborate, comprehensive comment.
So are you suggesting that vampires have more weaknesses or that they have less weaknesses than werewolves, I wasn't sure which way to read the 3/10.
As for "coolness" ... that one I beg to differ. That is entirely subjective to one's own aesthetics. Personally I find werewolves "cooler" because I dig the primal animal element, which is essentially darker and more visceral. I also tend to gravitate away from what is in popular culture considered cool, and vamps have always held that mantle.
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tradition versus change, traditional power versus individual desire.....There is no right answer one side appeals to one side of us the other to the other side....
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I have noticed a lot of people mentioning what the two eat, and using it to describe who is best. Yes, the vampire need blood, and the wolves just like their meat bloody, be really this does not give us a scope on who is in more control or not. Going by that then I must be a raving beast since I love my steak rare. But I'm not. . . well except for those 3-5 days or for 9 months straight, but otherwise I am nice. :0)
I have managed to find new authors that portray both the vamp and wolf. Only a few of them say a wolf is immortal, and if you think about it we humans only get about 50-80 years tops and look what havoc we create. Now think if we had a lot more time, or if we could go running though the forest or open field.
I still hold the belief that vamps have more contol in the long run then wolves they just have the time to get it under control. A wolf is allowed to kill its prey while a vamp cannot. So therein leaves me to understand that from the beginning a vamp is taught control where a wolf is not.
Having your darker side be allowed out every now and then would make it harder to control if you are always suppressing it, although I fear for the person who really ticks the vamp off and makes it go off on him/her.
BTW Bryan, you ever get around to reading the Anita series and if so did you like or not?
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Cheers for the comments.
No, actually I still haven't got around to reading an Anita Blake novel.
Which one do you recommend most highly?
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I always wanted to make a movie where all the were manifestations of the darker nature are united
Comment by dyer_werecreatures
i think vampires are quite cool, they have strength, agility, increased senses and look human but they cannot go in the sunlight as it will kill them and they gain no pleasure from, food, drink and sexual things.
werewolves on the other hand have also increased strentht, speed, senses and look human except when they transform. the werewolf is usually bigger and probably stronger than the vampire whereas the vampire is usually faster and more agile. the werewolf however can go out in the sun and is therefore not confined to the night and they gain pleasure from food, drink and sexual things.
however the fact that most werwolves are forced to change during the fullmoon and have no control is off putting but so is the fact that vampires cant go out in daylight.
therfore i prefer lycanthrope which is a different form or werewolves (kind of). a lycanthrope can change into there from at will and is therefore not a slave to it as a vampire and werewolf is. the lycanthrope can change and change back when he/she feels like it and therefore have the most control.
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assuming the immortality is limited to vamps...which I doubt my choice would be the vampire....my civilized side the one that wants to be safe and fed and watch TV on the week ends and play on my computer, and do most of my "hunting" withing sight of a good cafe the one that wants respect from civilized people...likes the vamp..
on the other hand who hasn't dreamed of tossiing away the daily grind of modern life and run with the wolves.. the side of me that wants to not care about any of that ...to hunt for the sake of hunting..to howl at the moon because it is there ....etc etc likes the werewolf........
It just depends on which side you listen too
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werwolf has little or no control as when they transform they turn into a uncontrolable beast.
lycanthrope( form of werewolf) has pretty good control as it can change at will and remains dominant but will sometimes be forced to change if it gets really angry.
newborn vampire: little control - 10% control as the thirst for blood is overwhelming.
older vampire: good control - 75%-80% as it can control its self but sometimes may loose control when gets too thisty.
ancient vampire: excellent control - 99% control as it can easily contain its thirst but if deprived for a long period of time it MIGHT loose control too thirst (but it would have to be a long time)
werewolf: bad control - 5% control as it can control its self when human but when the full moon is out it is a total slave to the beast.
lycanthrope(form of werewolf): excellent control - 95% control as it can change at will and remain dominant but may be forced to change if gets too angry.
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I do sometimes wonder where other members of the supernatural mythology fit in .....ghosts, ghouls, witches etc... what they represent ........where they fit in the
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but then again my girlfriend is a vampire, so overall this feud is kind like a sibling thing. 2 things coming from the same thing.
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Can someone help me please? He's starting to become a pain in my rear..
Many thanks.
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i have to say werewolves they are cooler and just like bikers even though they rough on the outside they are reallyn some of the sweetest people you could meet
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The Werewolf on the other hand has no control of himself/herself while taken form. But the lycan has complete control of their actions before their "inner beast" takes over. They have control over their emotions so if they let themselves become angered releasing themselves its their fault. The can also prepare themselves for the full moon letting them separate themselves from the rest of society.
In summary, Vampire or Werewolf, they both have complete control of themselves. It really just depends on their personality traits. Some Vampires choose to give into their darker side and some Werewolves choose to take advantage of the small space of time during the full moon to wreck havoc upon people, or to enrage themselves so that they may seek revenge upon those they despise. We see this in every manner of book or movie consisting of the two. The manner in which they choose to act reflects upon their personalities. They both have complete control of themselves just some are arrogant and ignorant (therefore stupid) and others are rational and premeditated in their actions.
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Thank you for the compliment by the way
I used to be a journalist for small newspaper...even wrote a kids book about a goldfish....Ihave a BA....
Know anybody who needs a good horror movie critic or out of work reporter
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Cheers for the props on the blog being an e-mag. Essentially it is one really, just not very sophisticated in its layout and design. I'd love for some wealthy benefactor to offer me in funding a good old fashioned hardcopy version of Horrorphile - Pleasure of Nightmares to be brutally honest! Although I wouldn't be able to publish trailers, of course ... Or perhaps offer to fund me my own website and a healthy weekly income to run it.
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You might not be able to run all you want but I bet if you put a counter on the sight and could get enough people to log in...you could get permission for trailers from new and recent rereleases ...its just a matter of phone calls and emails for permission..some places will even send it too you for free....once you are established..you could even get people to publish homemade clips and invite comment
We used to get free CDs at the paper I worked at all the time and it was a tiny 8,000 circulation rag with a just a few thousand web viewers....I have heard there are cheap and free ad sites for small businesses like ad sense...
As for money I'm flat broke but if you ever need a worker drone I work cheap and love to watch movies
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I was actually referring to not being able to run trailers in a print mag LOL ...
To be honest I don't have the time to run an e-mag by myself, and I certainly don't have the capital to employ other people to help run one. Hosting this blog is a labour of love, I earn my bread as a professional DJ so you can imagine how exhausted I get, DJing at night, writing during the day.
If and when I get major sponsership I might look into expanding into an actual online mag, but for the moment, hosting this blog chews up enough time and effort as it is, for very little revenue. I love doing it, but I have to be mindful of the bigger picture, so to speak.
Thanks for your support and interest though!
There you have it. Sorry I can't offer you a job.
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lycans rule!!!
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As this debate is nearing the year-and-a-half mark and is easily the most frequented post on this blog I thought I'd pose a fresh side-question to all the regular commentators and to any newbies too.
Name a favourite vampire and/or werewolf movie.
Please identify the sub-genre (vamp or lycan) as well, in case it's a rare and unusual movie, so others can take note.
Me? I'm gonna be indulgent; at the moment two adolescent flicks are tickling my dark fancy: Let the Right One In is my fave vampire movie and Ginger Snaps is my fave werewolf movie (although it's a few years old now).
But my all-time faves would probably be: Innocent Blood (vampire) and An American Werewolf In London (werewolf)
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My first and only point...
Vampires have opposable thumbs... Bad luck Mr Wolf
and fav movies?
Interview with the Vampire
Lost Boys
Underworld
Let the Right One In
Ive never seen a good werewolf one
except that goosbumps one....
The Werewolf of Fever Swamp
fkn terrifying back in the day lol
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If the basis for the power of the werewolf and vampire was to based on popular fiction then I think vampires would stand a little more a chance but would ultimately perish in the end. If your base for comparison is Werewolf: The Apocalypse and Vampire: The Masquerade then werewolves would totally destroy any vampire that they fought.
P.S. To the posters that say they havent seen any good werewolves in movies you should check out all three underworlds and van helsing. Do not base an idea of werewolves off of Cursed, Harry Potter and Blood & Chocolate.
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and even though vampires and werewolves are supposed to be more or less equally matched i thin werewolves would probably take the upper hand because i have seen more films and game and books were werewolves are totally stronger and more kickass.
i would probably say werewolves are srtonger but vampires are faster though. vampires are also usually loners aswell were as werewolves travel in packs so they usually outnumber any vampires anyway.
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But I've always been a Werewolf fan, solely because they look cool and are physically more powerful than vampires. Also, in the movie Van Hellsing, the Werewolf was the only thing which could stop Dracula, so they were created for stopping him.
Well, I think I said enough, thanks for listening ^^
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so to summarise vampires have time as they eventually become stronger but werewolves have numbers and start of stronger. p.s i am english
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2 b fair vampires cant escape their fate. they are always vampires, they always drink blood and are always bound to the night etc. this totally seperates them from humans but...
Werewolves however, can either 1.) only change at a full moon so they are only different from humans once a month or 2.) can change at will and if they choose they could never change at all. WErewolves can also go out in the daylight without been hurt or suffereing any other consequences and can eat human food etc.
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thats what I think the whole vamps versus lycans storyline is...the struggle between competing sides of the same evil or good....
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thats what I think the whole vamps versus lycans storyline is...the struggle between competing sides of the same evil or good....
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check out the world of darkness series Vampire The Masquerade and Werewolf The Apocalypse two very good series but are difficult to find in bookstores check amazon
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despite folk lore let me tell u the truth
vampires are born tht way but tend to kick of at puberty
their senses are sronger (usaly sight)
and they feed of blood and energy
they chose a main person to feed of whothey bond with so they only feed of there energy tht person becomes a werewolve
a werewolve despite what u belive never change neither does a vampire a werwolve is more or less a half human half wolf with animal instincts and better senses i know this because i am 1 and my best m8 is a vampire the only real diffrence is im more active and stronger -he is faster -he relys on blood -i have animal insincts
but he keeps me inline because otherwise im a bit of an animal hehe
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oh werewolves are better but i would say tht wouldnt i
oh nd half the crap u see in the movies is crap
any questions just ask me
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Vampires are all diffrent all over the world depending on the mythology or legends you are studding. From being almost bloated looking with a redish purple tint to being seductive to being able to terrorize nightmare haaunt dreams and to being able to transform form crows to bats to falme.
Besides, there are multiple legends and myths of good vampires, vampires that don't cause harm, even vampires that help people.
Most myths of vampires and werewolves they are bothimmortal but can dye in certan conditions from being burn or with a steak through the heart. Beeing killed while in human for or shoving peices or mmetal stone or bricks in a corpses heart there are ways each can die again from the origens of the legend.
This question: Which has more controll over thier darkerside? is a question that cannot accually be answered inless you pick one region of the world.
Somehow though I still side with vampires. Mabey the fact thatthey intrest me more, I am not sure.
Ps. most of the movies about vampires are from the Southeast Europeian legend which irritates me now to the point of screaming though it was what led me to my intrests in the supernatural, and my favorite subject, vampire mythology.
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so basically u ave 2 choose between
1.) neva seeing sun again and not going into ppls houses without permission or
2.) transforming forceably once a month and no silver.
personally i would rather ave sun than silver
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Vampires would probably be more fun to go to the movies with though...werewolves seem like monster truck pull fans
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By the way i also wrote the last to Anonymous blogs
and im only 10 but i LOVE reading ....well probably not as much as wolfgirl but still its pretty good the whole inheritence sereis in two days!!!
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In some shows they are unstoppable 12 foot long dire wolves that move in the blink of an eye ...in others they are just kind of Neandedrthals with fur and teeth ...or regular wolves that wear pants during the day ...In some shows vampires are really demons of immense power with inhuman strength in others they are more a like Goths on steroids who are allergic to sunlight...or canibals who work out a lot
It really depends on which model you follow ....In the Underworld mythology they balance out with only the most elder and powerful of each kind reaching that godlike level of power....
the traditional werewolf models I remember were more like the Lon Chaney kind while the Bela Legosi vamps
there is a show on cable called world's most deadliest warriors ...maybe we should ask them to decide
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The Darkness in the human soul has been there since the dawn of Time. We are a fundamentally flawed species. I don't believe it's the fault of a God, as I am an atheist, I think it's probably got more to do with Abstract Thought.
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i believe no species is entirely evil it just depends on the actual person/creature involved because of their free will because everyone has darkness and light in their souls.
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Live free or die sounds great when your 12 ....not so much when your older ....
Ill take immortality and the cool cape with the patent leather shoes any time
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P.S. tell me somthing what would u think if you saw this beautiful creacher that is very pale looks like ahumane but is sparkling like a bunch of dimonds are inbeded in its skin? please tell me=)
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o and no sparkling
sparkling: making vampires easier to target since 2008
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Comment by dyer_werecreatures
and yh vampires live longer, but then u would either ave 2 watch all of ur family and friends die or curse them with vampirism
and u will only get to live longer and have immortality if u can make it without eva being accidentally caught in the sun and dont piss of any stronger vampires or creatures. 1 mistake and ur outta there.
but a werewolf can make mistakes, the only thing that is poison to werewolves is silver (that i no about besides wolfsbane and plz say if u ave any contributions) and the majority of books i ave read state that silver only gives pain to the werewolf and will only kill them if comes in contact wiv the bloodstream coz it will poison the entire bloodstream and kill it. werewolves ave so much more freedom and fun coz it doesnt ave 2 b watching its own ass every 5 mins and usually travel in packs so that usually ensures protection anyway.
and u will def ave vampires AND werewolves who ave nearly perfect control of their 'dark sides' and both will lose that control when they need to feed/hunt.
and another thing, vampires would make gr8 leaders sure, they strong, manipulative and powerful but what happens when they need to go to a business metting at mid-day? or sumtime during the day sum1 forgets 2 shut the blinds and all of a sudden, poof! the manager of a 1 billion pound company gone and all that is left is a pile of burnt ashes?
any1 plz feel free to combat any of my points, i would b happy to c wot ppl ave 2 say about the points i ave made, no matter if it agreeing or disagreeing, i am curious, enlighten me
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i have read lots of books that varify what 'No twilight please' has said stating that it will only hurt if enough pressure is applied or if held long enough otherwise a red spot or rash appears.
but i disagree with the fact that only a small piece of silver will kill them because a bullet will not actual enter the bloodstream but will still poison it and a silver sword will have a similar effect. these 2 examples will not b small enough to stay in the blood stream but still poison the werewolf and kill them because it comes in contact with the blood which poisons them and will probably, eventually kill them
however there may b ways to prevent death (i am open for suggestions) because even though a werewolf may be shot or stabbed or face another form of fatal incoming with silver, they may still survive (any comments? i am curious how a werewolf may prevent death in a similar circumstance)
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I think they could avert the poisoning, if they have an organised society they have probably found an antidote while if there isn't a werewolf society the werewolf might just sleep it off, or revert back to human form, then again maybe he's just doomed.
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Werewolves are creatures that exude sexuality. Because they are animals. Sure they are some crazy hybrid of a human and an animal, but they would surely have the urges of any other animal, and this is why I find them to be far more intriguing. Vampires will seduce you because they want to drink your blood, but I have a fantasy that a werewolf would ravish a sexy lady and ravish her good! Then again, maybe I am the only one looking at it from this angle. I hope the Twilighters do not jump me for this stance. But if I had to choose which one of these creatures to be attacked by I would choose the one capable of giving me a little somethin somethin before I die! Unrelated topic, I really love this blog. Kudos to the author I am lucky to have happened upon it. Now I think I shall wander out into the woods and see what debauchery I can become involved with. but if I am being totally truthful I am going to read more posts on this blog. That may be the equivalent of running through the woods on a moonlit night I think.
Daniellita la verdad. Recognize.
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they state that vampires were selfish beings sought on drinking womens blood and getting as many slaves as one could possibly imagine. They were definatly sexualy apealing so to atract these women, it never states anything sexual as far as i know,
werewolves on the other hand were just normal people, who would come the full moon, transform into a mindless thoughtless monster, with no ability to tell loved ones from anyone else and just thought of everyone as food.
So to counteract Daniella's post i would have to say, if u are looking for a good "ravish" you would definately not want to meet a werewolf since his instinct to kill is far greater than his sexual instincts and he would kill you before "ravishing" you.
Therefore i am going to have to go with the vampire, although he is an outcast to society to the extent that he is not like you and me, the mindles violence at full moon is not something i'd like.
P.S i am no longer going by the name LOL TWILIGHT!
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I totally Agree with 'Prophet of Death', Vamps rule, Werewolves Drool, Lol.
Werewolves have no control over who they attack or 'ravish' except their pack. They may not be all Bloodthirsty, and 'let me find anyone so I can eat 'em' but anyone who smells like a stranger there gonna see 'em as a threat. They will stick with their pack (if they have one), and go hunting, (not Necessarily humans.)
Also originally Werewolves were Vampire's Protectors during the day, so they rebeled and Betrayed the Vamps, so that makes they Untrustworthy and Backstabbers!
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Could we please set some source rules over here?
I'm getting tired off ppl quoting single sources as absolute truths. (btw I was previously 'not twilight please'). But I'll react to this one anyway, just this once. You say werewolfs used to be the daylight protectors, now tell me, was that by their own choice or was this, as I suspect, slavery? And if they are so backstabbing, y do they not kill eachother?
And do not forget vampires once hungry is much more beastial then any werewolf could ever be.
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yes werewolves may or may not ave being the vampire's daylight guards but they were slaves and were forced 2 do this buy elder vampires who were powerful but they rebelled which means they ave the strength to fight bk.
also werewolves r nt backstabbers and r loyal to one another more so than vampires and humans as they will remain loyal to the pack unless the 'leader' is uncapable.
vampires r the really backstabbers as they r constantely plotting and betraying one another to seize power and they only care about themselves and blood.
and bk 2 Emerald_Vamp orginal point, even tho they may percieve strangers as threats they may not actually attack them. adnd this is also a great survival tactic as they will gather their pack and attack any threats which will harm them.
Prophet of Death, yes u could look at it that way but wot about a different point of view. how abuot modern tales of vampires and werewolves and the supernatural. some of these claim that werewolves can change at will and remain in full control wen if wolf form. this means they can act however they please and can b 'sexual' if hey want 2.
and another point, ppl say werewolves r savage and bestial but at least in a pack there is some sort of order so they rnt entirely savage and mindless, as they keep a quite sophisticated order and they ave certain pack rules to keep themselves in place but vampires have no rules. they r loners and r immortal which makes them arrogant and they believe they r more important than every1 else. this makes them more savage coz they dont ave an order, just please urself.
and if any1 wants a more private 1 on 1 discussion my email is seagreenslime@yahoo.co.uk.
ps. werewolves r the best
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Daniellita la verdad.
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And 'dyer_werecreatures' all Vamps aren't loners, they have a Hierachy just like Werewolves. You have a Big Vamp Boss which is the equivalent of an Alpha Werewolf. And in defence of all 'Backstabbing' Vamps, let me ask you this, If you had to live Forever and your 'Boss' was a complete Prick, would you sit back for eternity and do what they say? Didn't think so...
And the 'Sexy Vamps' is a survival tactic, coz I don't think many people would let a vamp suck their blood so the Vamp makes it Pleasurable to survive.
And if a Werewolf eats you, your Toast coz it'll actually eat you, but if a Vamp eats you, you may survive coz it'll only drink your blood.
And Wülf, lets just remember there is no REAL evidence of Vamps and Werewolves, so NONE of this is an 'ABSOLUTE TRUTH' And it doesn't matter what you 'Suspect' because you have no proof and EVERYONE on this site is going by what theyv'e read, or heard, ect.
But just Remember, Half the World is in Night...
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Could you recomend me some books about werewolves?
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u say vampires ave a hierachy but they dont. it may appear like a pyramid scheme were each vampire has minions, and each of them minions ave other minions but for a real hierachy u need trust. werewolves ave a successful hierachy coz they look out 4 wach other and trust each other but vampires r 2 busy plotting and schemeing against there 'bosses' that there is no trust and therefore a valid hierachy.
Emerald_vamp u say that vampires kill their 'bosses' coz they r pricks but infact most vampires r pricks coz they r immortal and arrogant as tbhey believe they r more important than everyone an everything else. the main reason they dont 'sit back for eternity' and betray their 'bosses' is coz they r all selfish and want that power 4 themselves, not coz they dislike them, but coz they want they want 2 kill and steal that authority and power.
and u say that a werewolf will defo eat u and kill u but how do u think ppl r turned? they survive, thats how, so they cant totally eat, devour and murder every1 or else there wouldnt b and werewolves.
and 2 b truthful, a vampire has just as much if not more chance of killing due to 'eating u'. wen a werewolf attacks u, u get turned into a werewolf 'basically' and the same goes 4 vampires and if werewolves and vampires attack the same number of ppl, they shuold effectively 'turn' the same amount roughly and this will increase their numbers. this is good 4 werewolves as they see numbers and strength coz they hunt in packs, so the more the merrier and stronger they r however the same isnt 4 vampires. they see numbers as threats, the more vampires there r, the more chance of sum1 betraying u and stealing ur power. so based on this information, vampires r more likely 2 kill u as turning u would not benefit them but it would benefit werewolves so this makes them less likely to 'eat' u and kill u.
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If cinematic and literary portrayals of the two species are correct vampires can drink almost any type of blood to survive...while most werewolves dont have enough presence of mind to be picky
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Anyway, Royale how are Vamps like bats and Rodents, yeah sure you get Vampire Bats but they are Prey and Vamps are Predators...
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and royale, just coz wolves 'are strictly monogamous and mate for life' that doesnt mean they dont get alot of sex coz it is up 2 the actual person and there character, if they were a lustful person when they were human then they will still remain lustful and if they had the 'presence of mind' b4 then they will still have it wont they? and vampires dont enjoy human pleasures such as sex so that argument is void anyway.
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I dissagree with the idea that vamps do not enjoy the same things people do...Depending on the cinematic and literary examples you observe they enjoy all the things people do, good food, good wine, and I bet good roll in the hay wether with another vamp or a human...
ASs to how vamps are like bats recent movies that show some transformation to a non human state are very bat like ie Van Helsing, underworld..so you could argue that they although they are not lycanthropes the bats was the totem used to bind their power to this plane....If vamps are just people with extas the argument that they are just as lustful as weres holds up even more
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